everything you said actually is why the Jets should keep Rex, unless you think he is incapable of moving on from Mark Sanchez. but if he is, we know what we have with Rex, and it is a good thing if we can just get a good QB to go along with him. I don't buy the argument that Rex only wants Mark Sanchez as his QB. he has made some bad decisions, but if he can not do so again he is the coach worth keeping.
I have to laugh when people in defending Rex say "give him a good offense, give him a good QB, etc." As if it's something you shop for at Walgreens. In reality a GOOD head coach develops his players, and makes an offense and a QB good by improving their game, developing their skills and hiding their weaknesses. I can't name a single offensive player in the Rex Ryan era, that they've gotten the most out of or done ALL of those three things with. They got him a top 10 draft pick at QB and he's completely regressed to the point where he's a joke of the league. Yet people blame the GM, the coordinators, the QB coach, the players around him - anything but Rex Ryan - the HEAD COACH. It's insane to me that people say we need to get Rex a new QB and develop him right - as if Rex Ryan had nothing to do with the development of his first top pick at QB? How is Rex outside of that blame - he probably had more to do with Sanchez's fall than anyone.. I also don't get the statement I've seen thrown around "With a decent offense, a Rex Ryan team wins, year in and year out" Sure - that may be true, that's why he'll make a fabulous Defensive Coordinator somewhere. A HEAD coach is in charge of all units, and Rex is responsible for this putrid offense we've seen. Now he's basically acknowledging he doesn't know a thing about offense and letting Morningweg take the reins. People act like that's a good thing??!?!? That's an example of a head coach taking steps BACKWARDS in his development. If he wants to be a defensive coordinator, that's fine and dandy, I'm sure there are plenty of teams that will give him that opportunity. But this team needs a fucking head coach.
You'd be hard pressed to find any post where I said we need to get rid of Rex Ryan or Mark Sanchez. You will find me calling for the benching of Sanchez after the Seattle game. I like Rex, but he's got numerous flaws and has made some really bad decisions during his tenure. One week he says he's gonna concentrate on his defense, then he promptly sticks his "incumbent" quarterback into the 4th qtr. of a meaningless game and gets him hurt. Dumb.
i appreciate that the premise here is that rex gets fired...but i just want to say i hope he doesn't get fired. even if he's not a perfect-10, i still think he's a solid-7. tenure means authority in football, so he has that going for him too. so i think, unless there's definite star coach available, you keep rex. cowher is a blowhard. gruden seems insane. i don't know much about saban. i just don't see the need to drop rex. i also think it's going to be a fairly positive season and we're going to start seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.
This is another fantastic post. It really is interesting to see what other posters have put up as far as calling for Rex's firing and whom would replace him. I really haven't seen one person put up a very detailed case for another coach. I've seen people pick the usual suspects: Gruden, Cowher et al...but no real case for them. They claim they have won and won Super Bowls but not really HOW they got there. I'd really like to see just one person put up something as eloquent as did the poster "Jets Esq." or this one "EdRay."
haha...Every team is in the playoff race in December. Only a few make it when they go 2-3. Three straight losses to end a miserable season...now that's good coaching. :metal: Nobody thought that was a good hire. Nobody. And Rex did a great job coaching that Tebow guy. Spectacular. Spectacular? OK...just how bad is the talent on this team? Again 2-3 in December. I never said Sanchez is important, and his play at qb has been horrid. That's no reason to stick him behind a third string OL and get him murdered. Give me a good reason that Sanchez should have been in that situation. You can't, because there is none...just another dumb decision by Rex Ryan. "Quality QB play"?....What?...not "spectacular"? Your objectivity is severely lacking. Meh...
Not every team is in team is in the race I December. No one was up in arms w/ the Sparano hire, the thinking was we'd go back to "ground and pound" w/ him and he had tebow to run the WC, no one knew how bad he would be as he had never been an OC before. To be fair as bad of a job as he did he was left w/ awful healthy talent after all the injuries. The healthy talent on this years team is MUCH better than the injured talent we had a year ago. Not even close. If his play has been so horrid and anyone would be better why are you up in arms about him getting hurt in the 4th qtr of a preseason game? You talking about objectivity is quite comical. If it was up to folks like you we'd have a new HC and new QB every 2-3 years and we'd never win anything. The facts are he has more playoff wins than any HC in Jets HISTORY, the facts are he is 3rd in the NFL in playoff wins since entering the league in 2009 and if the QB is as bad as you say then he must be one heck of a coach. It's so cure seeing the average fans want to blame everyone- our GM stunk, the HC stinks, the QB stinks- how they heck did we have our first losing season in year 4 if this was the case?(needing so many injuries that Chaz Schilens was starting by the way).
C'mon....Rex hired both Tony Sparano and Dave DeGuglielmo. He pestered Tanny to give Sanchez a fat extension. Rex has had mucho influence on draft day...those are facts, not supposition. Sanchez should have been benched last year no matter who was the back-up. He was getting worse every week. There was no point in keeping him out there. Rex is a good coach, and probably is the best fit for this team. But if they go 6-10 again he's probably gone. I wish he'd become the '09/'10 Rex Ryan again. Fuck the naysayers, grab a handful of peanut M&M's and guarantee a SuperBowl.
so now rex "pestered" Tannenbaum to extend sanchez? it was a wise move at the time, no one could have predicted we'd have Chaz Schilens starting. Last year was a disaster, it happens. Sanchez WAS benched, do you really think any other QB would come in and win w/ the awful healthy talent we had? it boggles my mind how people ignore the facts. Your last sentence I agree with.
Best coaching options for '14.. Rex, Morningwood, Thurman, Kotwica, Lee, Dunbar.. It's a cap cleansing and roster rebuild year. These guys should at least have 2 years to develop Smith and build upon the framework we are striving for, before tearing it completely down and resetting once again.
I would like to have an offensive minded coach. We've had D coaches it seems since the early 90's. List I like to see on our sideline includes: Greg Roman SF OC Darrell Bevell SEA OC Rick Dennison HOU OC Kevin Gilbride NYG OC Mike Sherman MIA OC and the most likely candidate Morningwood OUR OC Hopefully we keep Rex though and build a long term winner with him.
This shit is almost as bad as Giants fans almost getting Coughlin fired after he already won them a Super Bowl. Only in NY.
Great. Let's just reset our identity once again. When the defense eventually flounders, we'll replace that HC with a defensive minded one. The Jets identity is the right one. Tough, defensive minded, cold weather built to compete in the northeast. that has been the formula since '97, and has had success here. we need to improve on offense, not completely change identities.
Find one post where I said Rex and Sanchez should be gone? You can't. And you're delusional when you say we were deep in the playoff race in December. That's crazy talk. We ended the year with three straight losses to inferior teams. That's not good coaching, let alone spectacular. Is that objective enough? The Sparano hire was stupid. Hiring a guy that has "never been an OC before" is stupid. Defending it is stupid. "If his play has been so horrid and anyone would be better why are you up in arms about him getting hurt in the 4th qtr of a preseason game?" That's not what I said, nor is it the point.
Haha, thank you! It'll be interesting if one of them respond, but it'd still be nice if they read it and didn't respond in any way. And thanks to everyone who liked my post! :grin:
Keep laughing Ever heard of this saying? You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Rex readily admits when asked that there are things if he could, that he would have done differently and most importantly has learnt from them. This is about as close as we will get to agreeing I think...... Rex is NOT a good HC.....yet, how long its going to take him remains to be seen, next year, this year...? we just don't know and being in the results business I guess at the end of the season will be able to reflect a bit more knowledgeable. This carousel of changing HCs every time the wheels come off or even whiff of it has to stop, I really hope the Idzek regime has patience, knowledge and skill to get us to the next level and more and take this team back to the top for years to come. Maybe I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
we don't all say we want a new coach, in fact getting a new coach would be the worst thing this franchise could possibly do. and none of those coaches you mention would improve the jets, at all.
TBH its pretty much how most of us here feel and the eloquent way you put it deserves plaudits, thank you.
