None of what you pointed out means success for Ryan should he be extended another 5 or more years. Circumstances have to come together, either by design or luck, to produce the winning formula. We have nothing to lose by letting Ryan's HC coaching tenure last at least another 10 years or longer. Its not like we're winning anything regularly anyway and it certainly won't be boring. Just think it will send the signal that the Jets have a verrrrry long term plan for success. The Pyramids took time to build. So will the Jets. I do feel though that I'm damn lucky to have seen SBIII. At least I did get to see a Jets Superbowl appearance and Win.
Even as a Miami fan, I absolutely agree with this ... I admit Rex is a good coach that is just stuck in a bad situation this year. Unfortunately it's normally the coach that goes down with the QB. Just as Sparano did with Henne, Rex may unfortunately go down with Sanchez.
where did I say extend him for 5 years? he should get an extension after this season and I believe he will, it would be asinine to get rid of a top HC in this league. The job he did last year w/ the lack of healthy talent that we had was amazing. Let's rebuild the talent for him and we'll win big again.
Junc, everyone in your examples were between years 5-10 on the job before they had success. With Rex already in year 4, he'd have to be extended at the minimum 2 and at max, 5 to meet the criteria you set up. That would give Rex 10 years experience as a HC. He is NOT a top HC in the league Junc. He's better than Kotite, Coslet and Jet HC's not named Ewbank, but he's not better than either Harbaugh, Coughlin, Shanahan, Belichek, McCarthy and a few others. Lets just agree that Rex is a top DC in the league and let it go at that. He appears in a SB AS A HC, lets talk about "top HC".
he is a top HC in this league, it's funny how you guys bash sanchez yet Rex sucks and nearly made 2 SBs w/ him. rex is THIRD in playoff wins for HCs since he became a HC in 2009. he's never had the talent of those other guys, he's done more w/ less. Put him on any of those other teams and they are winning multiple SBs. rex is severely underrated, no coach did a better job a year ago but the fans and the media see 6-10 and think a coach sucked. W/ a regular coach we win 2 or 3 games tops.
Junc, while I think Rex is good ... I don't even think he is in top 8 company as far as coaches go. check this out for guys in front: Belichick Coughlin Tomlin Payton BOTH Harbaughs Mike Smith John Fox Andy Reid
I agree. He's one of the best defensive minds in the game and the defensive personnel we have probably wouldn't work in anyone else's system, so we'd just have to rebuild again if he's gone. Moreover, we finally have the coaching staff we've all wanted - a great Offensive Coordinator and Rex running the defense. Frankly, Rex should have won coach of the year for getting 6 wins out of that team last year. That team had the worst, most inept offense and special teams I've ever seen, as well as a QB who's biggest claim to fame was finding new and innovative ways to turn over the ball (buttfumble? really?). Also, I've never seen so many punts and field goals blocked in a season before or so many returns allowed for TDs. Throw in the season ending injuries to their best offensive and defensive players and that team winning 6 games was nothing short of incredible. Rex is a great motivator and a defensive genius. MM likely isn't going anywhere to be a head coach and will likely be the OC for a long time if he's well treated. This is finally the coaching dream team. It would be spectacularly stupid to fire Rex now, regardless of what happens this year.
Look at the talent those coaches have had. BB w/o Brady is a complete failure, has Rex ever had a Tom Brady? NOPE but he did lead a team w/ mark Sanchez into Foxboro in postseason and whipped BB and Brady. If he took over in Bal instead of harbaugh they wouldn't have waited 5 years to win a SB. John Fox? he had the most talented team in the league and couldn't win a home playoff game, Mike Smith? 5 years in and ONE playoff win, Tomlin inherited a potential dynasty and basically ruined it. Coughlin has been on the verge of being fired in NY twice before going on some very fortunate runs, payton has one SB but he went to a title game year 1 then missed the playoffs the next 2 years, since winning the SB he has one playoff win. I think Jim Harbaugh is the best HC in the game.
Most people don't realize what a spectacular job he did last year. we were still in the thick of the playoff race in dec, one less TO in Ten and we win and have a great chance at postseason.
Junc, Rex is 34-30 overall in the Regular season and trending downwards.. Those are not elite numbers by any stretch.
I think it is pretty hard for fans to judge head coaches because we don't know where their responsibility starts and where it ends. That's why I think this discussion is silly Unless you are "in the know" then you are basically speculating. Junc probably knows what he is talking about since he has inside info.
BB - Can you really call him a failure when he did go 11-5 the year he got hurt. Yes he had Moss, Welker, etc but it's not fair to label him a complete failure despite his shortcomings in Cleveland Tomlin went to the SB twice and now his team has aged ... wouldn't say he ruined it after missing the playoffs once in 5 years If Coughlin winning 2 Super Bowls is your definition of "fortunate" then sign Joe Philbin up for me. Perhaps the value of Sean Payton after seeing his team struggle so mightily at the beginning of the season.
he has never had elite talent. Good catch, I meant Jim. 11-5 w/ an incredibly weak sched and didn't make the playoffs. Go check out his record w/ and w/o Brady and let me know what you find. Tomlin inherited a potential dynasty in their prime, they escaped w/ one SB win on an incredible drive and play against a 9-7 team. NYG got hot at the right time and EVERYTHING broke their way, credit to him and them but great coaching isn't just about getting hot for a few weeks. His teams w/ SB caliber talent have missed 3 of the last 4 postseasons. Payton is a top coach but there was so much going on in NO that even if he was there they would have struggled.
So you feel your own feelings on this are immaterial and irrelevant , I suppose? Not 1 game into the season and I sense insecurity. That's what makes for poor judgement.
The Jets HAD talent! Look at those AFC Championship seasons: In 2009, the Jets had the top defense as well as the top rushing offense. In 2010, the Jets had the #6 scoring defenes and #13 scoring offense. We know how great the Defense was, but on offense there was Keller, Holmes, Edwards, and Cotchery! That's quite an offensive skill group! If Sanchez had developed after the 2nd year as many expected him to, the Jets would have been a Super Bowl contender every year after ... a mediocre to below average QB that is relied upon for too long is next to the graveyard of fired head coaches.
