I don't believe any pro sports athlete that says that they aren't on steroids, everyone is now assumed to be guilty in my book after the last 10 years. This is opening up a whole can of shit for Roger, and for his sake he damn better not have any skeletons in his closet, because with all the subpoenas and record viewing that will be happening in the next year he will be shown to be a definitive fraud rather than someone just named by a trainer in a report if he did use PEDS.
It really does. He keeps saying how his family left him, how his son is dying, and not really giving an excuse as to why he said that Clemens used steroids.
Haw Haw. . . Come on, Ollie. McNamee says over and over and over and over again, "Tell me what you want me to do, Roger." Over and over again. What's the ONE THING that Roger never said? What's the SINGLEMOST natural reply for someone trying to prove that McNamee lied? The answer is, "Brian, tell everyone you lied." Roger never said that. Brian McNamee, for his part, was BEGGING Roger for a mutually-beneficial deal. He was BEGGING Roger to offer him money in exchange for changing his statement. McNamee even mentioned that he would "Go to jail" for Roger. Roger never took him up on that. A few times (and, it's important to note that it's just a few, because Roger's denials were anything but sustained), Roger asserted his innocence. It makes for nice press conference, but doesn't do much else. Rusty Hardin likes to hear himself talk, but this press conference was ill-conceived. EDIT: Even Tim Kurkjian, the BIGGEST steroid apologist out there, notes the things that Clemens DOESN'T say in his own defense.
He told him, "I want you to tell the truth." McNamee never said, "I've already done that." Hardin made a good point at the beginning. If Clemens had said to McNamee, "I want you to tell everyone you lied." the feds could then turn around and charge Clemens with tampering with a federal investigation.... I think Clemens played it smart... As far as Kurkjian and the media is concerned... they're already invested in the story that Clemens is a roid head... to back out now would be very embarrassing for them... in some cases it may even open them up to some possible liability... I watched this in YES on the Mike & the Mad Dog broadcast... those 2 did their best to try and talk over the audio every time something was specifically mentioned about steroids... If I wasn't watching at home and had TiVo in order to rewind I would have missed allot because of it... And I fully believed Clemens did it up until today.... I was convinced of it.... Christ I was even making fun of Don for suggesting otherwise... I'm not saying he definitely didn't do it... but now after hearing that tape, there's allot of doubt in my mind
Never make fun of Don.... Seriously though, he said he will be at congress on the 16th and he will answer all of their questions..you just don't do that when the penalty for perjury is jail..Martha Stewart knows that...to me that tells a lot. Really, with all of his money he could just shut up and quietly go away...obviously he has no intention of doing that which makes me think he at least believes he is innocent. He even said today he could give a rat's ass about the hall of fame and anybody who has a vote for it. So that's not his motive for fighting this like he is.
Yes, that certainly makes Hardin sound compelling - except it's not correct. Two points on this. First, if Clemens were prompting McNamee to recant his statement, and if by recanting McNamee woud then be telling the truth, AND if there were a threat behind it, then THAT would not constitute witness tampering. Witness tampering works the other way around; if Roger were prompting him to change his testimony to something false. Second, there's no ongoing judicial proceeding, and Brian McNamee is not under subpoena from Congress, nor do either of them have a contemplated legal proceeding in front of them. Therefore, there's currently no witness with whom he would be tampering. Rusty Hardin is snake oil salesman.
You wouldn't if you knew anything about them. I took one once and even when they asked me my name the needle went off the chart. They aren't what they are made up to be and even congress has said they can no longer be used in job hiring because of how unreliable they are.
uh..wrong. McNamee has been invited to testify at congress and if he doesn't show up Wexler said he will be subpoened, as will they all. As far as legal proceedings, McNamee is being sued by Clemens so he definitely has one, they both do..so wrong on all counts.
It's strange to me that now the hysteria has started after a guy names him without any evidence to support it aside from his own word. Not after Clemens made the Bonds like spike in numbers from the late 90's, not after it was obvious that he was on PEDs. To this: Doesn't happen naturally. Neither does this: Age: Era + 42 146 43 226 (!!) 44 193
That explains ALOT about your Yankee beliefs. You are so mixed up you are not even sure of your first name.:rofl:
No. Lie detector tests are fairly accurate; they just aren't admissible in court because the science is consistent enough. That said, in most high-profile cases where the defendant wants to strongly assert innocence, he or she will take a lie detector test, if for no other reason than to affect the jury pool. It only takes one. I guaranty you - and by guaranty, I mean I'd legitimately put money behind it, were there a way to prove my point - that Roger's attorney GAVE him a lie detector test already. If he passed, they'd have it blasted on every news channel within minutes. As an aside - just what the hell kind of state is Texas, where you can file defamation law suits at 9:00 pm? on a Sunday?!!
How do you figure that? His numbers were nothing like Bonds. He developed a new pitch, the splitter and that's what made him successful. His velocity kept going down all those years. There is no comparison at all to what Bonds did.
If you misunderstand what I write, I'll type it slower. THERE WAS NO LEGAL PROCEEDING FOR WHICH WITNESS TAMPERING COULD BE CHARGED at the time when Roger was talking with Brian McNamee with a livingroom full of attorneys. He sued AFTER the phone conversation. McNamee is NOT under subpoena. And, most notably, the testimony being influenced would have to be influence toward FALSE testimony, and not toward the truth, which Clemens is (I guess) ostensibly intending.
The not taking the lie detector bothers me... but Clemens is clearly a head case so who know how that would affect the results.... as far as your point earlier about Clemens being charged ... I wouldn't put anything past the Feds to cover their own asses... If you can execute at 9 pm in Texas why shouldn't you be able to file a lawsuit on a Sunday?
I would think unless he was a total vegetable he would be able to understand what might happen and will happen in the future..can't you? I'm sure he was as well aware of what he was and wasn't saying as Clemens was. Only a complete fool wouldn't suspect he was being taped. Clemens flat out said "I am telling the truth and I want that out there". McNamee's response? "I can understand that". No "I told the truth". No "i Lied". No nothing..he knew damn well he was being taped and how do we know he didn't have a livingroom full of lawyers too?
Don- its a question of civil liberties. If I was Roger Clemens and KNEW I was innocent, I would say lets me and my accuser both take lie detector tests.
