I think the basis for this is that Cutler throws with more velocity and spin which takes the wind out of play to some extent, where Leinart is more of a touch passer with a low amount of spin, which allows the ball to get blown around.
What I like about all this is we have no idea what the Jets will do, or who they are going to get come Saturday. It seems that in years past we or I should say I, felt that the Jets would botch the pick. Not this year, they have everone guessing. Awesome!
Raiders are not stupid you know.They can sit pretty and wait.There is no reason for them to want to trade with us knowing that the two teams picking after us are not picking a QB. Why do we take a pick just because the Raiders may take that player? Remember a couple of years ago, we allegedly took Bryan Thomas because the Radiers were "high" on him.Either way I think our pick at 4 is simple AJ HAWK is the name you will here come saturday.
May as well trade the pick away for a 7th rounder if we're going to take Hawk. Last thing we need is to reach for a LB.
The 49ers might take Brick, and also GB might draft by the BPA philosophy with all of their needs. So who knows. Someone might even trade up into 5 or 6 if Brick falls. The point is this trade would be risky for the Jets. From what I am reading, I believe the FO is targeting Brick/Williams at 4, whoever NO does not take. If Ferguson is there at 4, and is a player they are targeting, not taking him and praying he falls 3 spots is very risky. I am not sure I would do it. Think it is better to take the player you want when you have the opportunity too. Thing is, no one has any inclination what the Jets' draft board looks like and who they are targeting. Not like the last few years when everyone knew what the Jets were going to do.
So are you suggesting Leinert falls to 7? I highly doubt it, we tell the Raiders we're taking him or we have others (Buf, Ariz) trying to trade up to get him. No mock I've seen has Leinert going lower than 4, not sure how Raiders could sit comfortably at 7 and think he's going to get there.
could definitely see that happening..just our luck if we trade down with Oakland in hopes of landing D Brick and someone trades up to 6 and steals him. Although, I wouldnt be opposed to doing this deal if the Jets can be sure that D Brick will be there at 7 then I would do it. I know there's no 100% guaranteed way to ensure that a player will still be there for us so there's still some risk involved in doing this deal. If this did work out tho, this will give us the 7, 29, 35 and 38 (?) I believe. 4 picks in the top 38 is what a rebuilding franchise needs. Those are 4 High quality picks. Even if only 2 of them ever really become top players in this league, Id still consider it a success. And if we get 3 studs that pan out of these top 38, then we'll all look back and say the draft was a HUGE success.
Well sure its risky, if it wasn't risky we probably wouldn't be getting a 2nd rounder to move. I think Brick would fall, GB is not taking him, they're good at tackle and by all accounts want Hawk, SF, maybe, but they've invested a lot lately at tackle and they apparently love Davis. Doubt either trades down with say a Buffalo either. That said if say SF does take Brick, you gotta be prepared to end up with Davis, Cutler, etc., if you'd consider that a disaster, you probably don't do it.
it's a tough call but I would probably shy away from the deal if this was the case...Games are won and lost on the O and D Lines in the NFL. The Jets need a surefire lineman, either O or D, with their first pick. They cannot afford to jeopardize their lineplay and more importantly, their QB's health, and decide to draft a 240lb wide receiver in Davis who wont win and lose alot of games for the Jets. He'll fill up the statsheet, yes. But he will NOT win games for us in the near future. He'll need a few years to develop into a team player IMO. Many teams have had high priced receivers and tight ends. Many have languished because their QB never had a chance to get them the ball. Jets need to go Line, either side, with the first pick. If the risk here is too great, then stay at 4.
If Williams is there at 4 (Unlikely the way things are looking) I think its a no brainer we take him. If ferguson is still there I'm hoping we explore our options to trade down. The Oakland scenario seems as good as any, especially if the Titans take Young. All I know is the thought of nabbing either Dbrick, Davis or Hawk and getting an extra 1st day pick sounds like highway robbery, and for a change we're doing the robbing.....
I wouldn't consider Davis a disaster at all. The problem no one has any idea what the FO's draft board looks like. If they are targeting Brick and Williams, whoever falls to 4 I mean, then I am not sure the trade is worth the risk. Because you run the risk of not getting a player you were targeting. If they do not have them rated as high, but have them rated in the 7 range, the trade is better because the risk of not getting player you want decreases. I would not do the trade. But the FO might value the players differently. So there is a considerable gamble in this type of trade downand pray the player you want is still there deal.
I understand that we MIGHT have to pass on Leinart just because of all the $ we will have tied up in our QB's BUT I will die a slow death if this ends up being another Marino thing..We set for 10 years kicking ourselves for passing on a TRUE FRANCHISE qb...And I know that Ferguson is not a SEXY pick but it is what we need..Personally I would love HAwk but I dont see that
it is highly unusual that someone trades UP to get an OT - i know the rams did it with pace but that was more a function of parcells wanting out of #1 than the rams so hot after pace..... especially in this draft that has very good talent along the OL. most teams that will trade up this year will be targeting the playmakers or stud defensive guys. if the jets do end up eith ferguson outside of the top 5 it may very well be a bargain - AND - if they gain another day one pick - we just cannot argue with that. its not the fancy choice but it makes the team better immediately. jil
I kind of like the trade and if we aquired a 2nd rounder from Oakland and got D Brick at 7 I'm ok with that. The great thing is there are still options at 7 besides D Brick. Ngata, Huff, Cutler? I wouldn't mind Cutler at 7, in fact Cutler plus the #37 pick. My draft would look somehing like this... #1 Houston Reggie Bush #2 Saints Mario Williams #3 Titans Vince Young #4 Raiders Matt Lienart #5 Packers AJ Hawk #6 49ers Vernon Davis #7 QB Vanderbilt Jay Cutler #29 C The Ohio State Nick Mangold #35 LT Auburn, Ryan McNeil #37 OG Georgia Max Jean Giles Now that would be amazing.......
All I know is if Leinart is on the board at 4, we better get a kings ransom in return if we don't have any intention on drafting him. Even if we do I would bet at some point we regret passing on another franchise Qb..
If we trade down to #7 with Oakland we might be in a position to draft Winston Justice. Justice may be a better fit at the moment because he has the size and ability to play both right and left tackle. If he starts his career on the right we have an opportunity to assess Jones' worthiness as an LT.
That Bongo thread I was reading a couple of days ago is starting to make a little more sense now. If the Jets do indeed swing a deal with Oakland and land Ferguson at #7, I could defintely see them trading him, and the extra pick from oakland to NO for Williams. The Jets get the guy at the top of thier draft board and lose nothing, the saints get thier guy and an extra pick, and Oakland gets Leinarft. This actually could be a nice deal for all three teams. If either the Pack, or SF screw this scenario up, the Jets still draft AJ hawk, or V.Davis while still holding that extra 2nd, or 3rd rder from oakland. It works really well for the Jets. Of course it means Tthe titans have to draft Young though
