If Chad is throwing 15-yard ducks on our opening drive, come week 1, I will be very very ill. I am ready for the Kellen Clemens Era.
Trading Pennington. How quickly we forget. It was not until March 29th that Tannenbaum categorically said the Jets would not trade Pennington. Of course he would say that, since in the preceding near three months no one had made an offer for him. But here's what was said previously by him and Mangini: Mangini's QB Quagmire February 22 New York Post " Among the topics Mangini was grilled on included the status of Chad Pennington as he enters the 2008 season competing for the starting quarterback job with Kellen Clemens. Asked specifically if Pennington might be traded before the start of the season, Mangini said, "I feel very good about Chad Pennington. " Pennington Is Expected to Stay and Compete January 8 New York Times "Tannenbaum said economics would not drive the decision on Pennington’s return, with the Jets about $27 million under the salary cap. But Tannenbaum also left open the possibility of a trade, joking that the team would trade Bruce Speight, senior director for media relations, for a second-round pick if one became available." "Tannenbaum left open the possibility of a trade" on Jan 8th. Mangini later refused to answer whether Chad might be traded. Tanny's statement was made nearly 3 months before his statement at the combine on March 29th. At least I have a memory of what happened. If anyone wanted to get Chad, they sure were quiet about trying, and needless to say no one made an offer that was enough to even get the Jets in discussions that would have at least been rumored, let alone reached fruition. It also is not speculation to theorize that if another team was willing to pick up his salary, offer some kind of compensation, and saw Chad as their definite starter, they would have been willing to offer more than Chad's value to the Jets which, in business terms, would be no better than the value Clemens has, if not less than such value. No one did. Now, if you want to argue that in fact some other team did offer an attractive package and the Jets FO refused to consider it out of hand, I would have to argue that alone would prove their incompetence at a level far worse than I am presently willing to speculate about. So, either no one thought it worth making an offer for a starting Qb, since no one sees Chad as that, or the Jets FO is incompetent. That about covers it.
You can throw out any stats you want, but the one I prefer for quarterbacks is wins and losses. Clemens proved to be a better leader, a more capable thrower of passes, and proved to have more innate ability than Pennington.
Don't you guys know what you have in CP by now? If you liked what you have you wouldn't be stocking up on project-future-porpect QBs.
LOL whatever you say. Clemens won 3 games, 2 that he didn't play well in. Pennington won 1. If that proves all that to you....i don't know what to say.
Mangini is very secretive, and he's also the coach. He isn't ever going to comment one way or the other on whether players are going to be traded or not. Tannenbaum is not going to come out and say that any player on the team is untouchable. I don't know what his actual quote was, but that article makes it seem like his whole point was anyone's available if they get the right return, not that he was making some specific statement on Chad being available. Chad being traded was never very likely. With his contract no one is going to give really good compensation. That doesn't mean no one wanted him, I'm sure if he got cut he'd get a good amount of interest, and if the Jets were willing to give him up for a late round draft pick he might have gotten traded. That doesn't really make much sense for the Jets though
Where did I ever say that all that counted was wins? I look over all statistics, TDs, Interceptions, Passer Rating, Completion Percentage, Yards per Attempt, etc. However, wins are a stat exclusive to a quarterback on an NFL team. True, a defense can bail out a quarterback to a win, but the two QBs had the same defense behind them. Did Clemens face stiffer competition? Well, he beat Pittsburgh, so that's a probable yes. With Kellen Clemens we don't know what we have. However, with Chad Pennington we have a guaranteed loser.
I'm sorry...when the hell did wins become exclusive for a QB? More like QBs get the credit for all victories because everyones amazed by the guy throwing the ball.
I'm sorry, but you're simply wrong if you don't feel that the quarterback contributes more to a team than almost any other player. The leadership component of a quarterback is one that can not be underrated. How does a player compete at the end of the game? We saw that Chad Pennington threw away multiple wins when his soft passes were easily intercepted. Kellen Clemens, on the other hand, got stronger as the game went on, and should have won even more games if his receivers could catch.
I was responding to an assertion by Jetglass that the team was not going to even consider trading Chad, and of course part of that relates to Tannenbaum's concededly categorical statement at the combines. I agree with you that the huge size of Chad's contract made it unlikely anyone was going to offer huge compensation. What the Jets would be, and should be, willing to accept for compensation is speculation. But we can say a few things. As I pointed out, there is a market price for a starting Qb in the NFL. Assessing that price, as you point out correctly, does include taking into account the player's contract. But from the Jets's point of view, to the extent they think his current contract terms are excessive, as they have to be considered if one says at the same time that he appears on an equal footing with Clemens, and Clemens makes much less, that money is already committed. If the Jets had to eat some of his contract to trade him, so be it or, alternatively, leave the contract in place and accept that they will get less in compensation for a trade. Look at what happened with the Robertson trade. If he were encumbered by a much lower contract, he would have drawn more compensation. But he was already encumbered. It is also fair to say despite a rumor that the Ravens might have been interested, that went nowhere. Yet there are obviously a number of teams that are less than settled at Qb. If a team thought that the Jets were wrong to look at Chad as something less than obviously deserving a slot as a starter, and could use an upgrade at Qb, and here's the key part thought that Chad would be an upgrade, I think we would have heard about them pursuing a trade. Yet we did not. I don't think his contract is the reason, and even if it is, all that tells you is that even a mid to low draft pick would have been too much to pay in addition to taking over his contract. And what that tells you is that the league does not view Chad as a quality Qb.
Thats not a leadership skill, thats a physical skill. The QB position, IMO, is the position that everyone will know the name of and praise if the team is going right. But it's just another position on the field in which an intelligent, confident mind is required. I mean we all want a specific mentality with almost every position. How's a QB contributing more to the team if the QB himself couldn't possibly do anything if people weren't blocking for him and guys weren't catching and running for him?
Isn't his second sentance false? Didn't Penny suffer a high ankle sprain in game 1? Thought I heard that somewhere.
