CJ Stroud

Y'all really out here betting the Jets will get a better result by drafting and developing a QB.

You guys crack me up.

 

They finally have people in the bldg. that can develop a QB.

 

Oh, my mistake. I have been hearing all about how they'll all be gone half way through the season.

 

Noo...Perhaps the original staff, but Glenn brought in seasoned pros.. They'll get a mulligan if things don't spiral.

 

I truly hope this is the case. I really like Aaron Glenn and I hope he can become the best coach in the league -- I haven't seen a lot yet to justify that hope, so it's just hope. I don't know if that leaves me much margin to hope the NY Jets organization can develop a QB prospect, though.

 

CJ can progress at a place like San Francisco and even Minnesota like Darnold did

but frankly, he needs the crème de la crème of quarterback coaching

He’s not coming to the Jets
Sorry

 

Why do you like Glenn? Serious question, not trying to be a dick here.

Apart from how I loved him as a PLAYER here, I’ve absolutely HATED him as an HC. I think he’s in the conversation alongside Kotite and Gase for being one of the WORST HC’s we’ve ever had, and with our shit list of HC’s, that’s saying something.

So while I get the love for the player, I don’t get why that should translate to giving him the benefit of the doubt as our HC…

I know you said it’s really just HOPE, which I think we all have (since we can’t actually fire him ourselves, we just have to hope that he gets better), but what have you seen that you like?

Personally, I think his choice of asst coaches was ass (seems better at least on offense now with Reich…no clue on this newbie DC but I guess it doesn’t matter much because essentially Glenn is going to be the DC), I think his in game management was terrible, I think his arrogant attitude when he’s been asked honestly good questions about players, or game plans, or whatever, his platitudes without ANY real backup (“trust me”, “our brand of football”, etc.), I think his handpicked choice at QB was terrible, I think the way he pissed off on Wilks and “it was HIS defense” bullshit when he’s the HC and actually has the DUTY, let alone the RIGHT, to go in and demand changes…I think all of that was bottom barrel for an HC. I think I saw previously good and great players regress, I think it feels like he lost the lockerroom early in the year, etc.

Honestly, I didn’t see anything that I could hang my hat on to say ok, it was a rough year, but the roster sucked and he deserves another shot. No way. I think the roster was not as bad as we showed in many areas, and I think his coaching was a huge part of our issues.

But I genuinely curious if you have seen other things that give you hope?

 

As I said in an earlier post, Glenn didn't put enough effort in his original staff hires. That led to the trainwreck we all just witnessed. The reality of losing his job forced him to change his evaluation process and that's reflected in the new hires. To a man, all of them have had real success in the job Glenn hired them to do. No more rookie coaches and that SHOULD translate into a more professional team on the field this season. This new CS is a quantum leap over the newbies Glenn hired. He underestimated the job of CEO_HC and hopefully, learned a hard lesson in the process.

 

Fair criticisms and good assessment. I always believe a man can learn and improve so maybe thats what were seeing

 

I’m a big CJ Stroud fan. I feel he has elite attributes at the quarterback position. I feel the Texans didn’t do much to help him with an atrocious OL and when Tank Dell went down plus Diggs leaving it only really left him Collins who is a decent player but not an elite receiver.

Stroud is accurate, throws with anticipation, fast release, has good pocket presence and has shown he can light up the scoreboard with proper weapons.

The asking price will be high but if they would take #2 overall for him I’d make that deal in a heartbeat.

 

No, man. I like the dude Aaron Glenn. He seems like a good guy that I'd be happy to know. I hope he turns into a good coach. It would be nice to finally have a HC that I actually like.
I haven't liked a NY Jets head coach as a dude since.....Pete Carroll. Even the very few that have been good HCs have not struck me as anyone I'd want to be friends with or have in my family or whatever.

I long ago started assuming the HC of the Jets was going to be terrible as a HC -- if it's a given our HC is going to suck, I'd prefer to have a shitty HC that I don't also despise as a person. Glenn's the closest I've seen to that since Pete, and that's no exaggeration. I get that others may be rubbed the wrong way by Glenn, or maybe they really liked Al Groh's personality or whatever, and those are both valid takes, I guess just not ones I can understand. I'm sure others feel the same way about my take.

TLDR: I didn't see anything at all to suggest Glenn is a good HC, just enough to say I like the dude (not the former player part, the man), so I only have hope that he will improve. Mostly because I assume I will not like the next asshat, because I never do.

 

So then trade for Stroud and fix him. He certainly has shown elite or close to elite play for quite some time.

Think about it - at minimum he will be a better QB than we can get with the #2 overall pick this year. So give it up along with something else.

Trading Stroud will be a huge mistake and overreaction for the Texans, on a couple of bad games. Everybody has had bad games. So take advantage of their emotional weakness and pounce, is what I say!

 

I do think this CS is better, but not for the reasons you outlined. The biggest failure last year was Wilks. He is very far from being a rookie, he is a multiple time head coach. And if there is one possible regret of someone being let go, it's Tanner, who was a rookie. I want to point you again to Jax, which had a very good season. Their total play calling experience between their HC, OC, and DC was 1 year. TOTAL. So, I don't think rookie element was the problem last year.

A big problem was that Wilks turned out to be outdated washed up DC, and Glenn basically brought him in as a HC of the defense. On offense I think Tanner turned out to be IMO a C+ level OC. Not terrible, but not very good either. I don't think that's just because he is a rookie. He may be able to get better, but that's far from guaranteed either. I did not see anyone else jumping at an opportunity to make him an OC, even though there were two openings with his former coaches Detroit and Chicago. The QB coach I think also stunk, even though he was experienced. And Turner, a sr assistant and passing game coordinator, also experienced, turned out to be ass. We had no passing game. Interestingly enough, of all these people, Tanner, as mediocre as he was, was the best one, and he was a rookie.

The question is: has he picked better people now, regardless of being a rookie or not? People were not exactly clamoring for OC Reich, Seth Ryan to be their passing coordinator, or Duker to be a DC either. QB coach was also out of a job. However, he brought drastically different people and has a nice blend of experience and youth on CS, plus huge thing is that he will call the plays himself. It feels better on paper, but will it be better in practice, it's really hard to tell. Plus there is Glenn himself still a HC, that's a common denominator. And no QB. Hopefully Glenn learned and we somehow will get a decent QB, but all of this remains to be seen.

 

Being as charitable as possible to Glenn, suppose Wilks was the reason the defense was bad, and maybe Glenn has hired someone better this time. Even so, what is Glenn even doing? Leadership? That's laughable. If aliens abducted the guy in the middle of the season, would the team even notice the difference? If so, why is he here?

 

You are correct, he should not have been here. But now that he stayed, he is taking over the defense, he will at least focus on that and hopefully can improve it. He will be a lot more useful than last year. And we need to hope Reich and his new staff, which is a good blend of experience and youth, will get back to his Indy days 5 years ago.

 

somebody needs to lay off the copium...stroud isn't going anywhere