1st round picks and good UDFAs are what make a good team, so the thought of losing a 2nd rounder is not going to cause me to lose any sleep - think about our recent 2nd round picks - 2010 - Ducasse - project pick 2009 - no 2nd round pick (part of Sanchez deal) 2008 - no 2nd round pick (Dustin Keller obtained in a trade up back into the first round) 2007 - David Harris - obviously a good pick 2006 - Kellen Clemens 2005 - Mike Nugent and Justin Miller Aside from Harris its not that stellar list (and seems to be more use as trading up bait than anything).
Funny how the idea of holding onto a second round pick is more important to some people than winning the game and maybe making it to the super bowl. Long term deal or not this is a good trade because it gives us the best 1 and 2 CB tandem (on paper) in a pass driven league. And to make it in the AFC playoffs you are gonna have to go through Manning, Brady, or both. The jets haven't been at the SB in my lifetime times 2, fuck the second round pick.
We will resign Cromartie / Harris / Holmes and Smith . Edwards will go in FA in my opinion. Jenkins / Taylor / Brunell / Thomas / Woody and Gholston of the big cap numbers will all go in the offseason or Woody and Jenkins will retrsucture massively as both of their cap numbers are scary for 2011. This will give Tanny more than enough to get jiggy!
Too many Jets fans are still hung up on being like the Patriots. When we stumble onto the greatest QB to ever play the game in the 6th round that might be more realistic.
I'm surprised it's based on how we as a team do. I expected it to be based on his performance, never expected it to be based on him resigning or not. Oh well this match up is a huge reason we signed him, so if he's the difference good move.
Just based on regular season play I assumed it was already a 2nd rounder, so the fact that it's not yet doesn't change anything in my mind. He's been very productive, and has had Manning's number in the past - IMO he was already worth a 2nd for helping us get to this point. Depending on how the CBA comes together, he will probably get franchised, along with Holmes. Not sure why this is such a big deal.
It does and it doesn't. The argument, I suppose, is that we really don't know what the RFA rules will be under a new CBA. Although, does anyone really think that the owners would agree to a deal that allows a whole class of otherwise restricted free agents to suddenly be unrestricted? I can't imagine that happening. With a few exceptions, these aren't people who made their money by letting value escape. Some sort of compensation rule would be installed to offset the lost value.
And even if they don't, there's suddenly going to be a shitload of other talented players hitting the market for the Jets to go after. Good UFAs make huge money because there aren't many of them each year - flood the market with them and the price will drop.
If we end up giving up a 2nd rounder, we may as well sign him long term. Not doing so would be like folding instead of checking after posting the big blind.
Right. But the outrage in this thread seems to be that we should have included a condition of resigning into the trade. That's just howling at the moon.
You guys can try to defend this deal all you want, but not making reaching the SuperBowl the only condition for making that pick a 2nd Rounder was a stupid mistake by Tannenbaum. You picked up Cromartie to help you win a championship, not just to beat Manning in the WildCard round. If we lose to the Patriots, we're all going to be pissed when our name gets skipped in Round 2 of the draft (a draft in which the Patriots have two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks and two 3rd round picks by the way.)
Why would SF give up one of their better players for a conditional pick that they stood little chance of winning on? There weren't a huge amount of top end corners on offer last summer, as I recall.
The mistake is to say that we're defending the deal. That's not really the point. The point here is that assuming we just choked down whatever deal San Diego slapped on the table is a huge leap. What we know - and ALL that we know - is that we had two options: acquire Cromartie under the current trade structure or don't get Cromartie. Remember also, we even went a step further with this guy by advancing him salary to help him out of one of his several child support issues. We wanted the player; we got the player. You can say you hate the deal, but you can't rightly complain that we should have demanded different terms. It's just not reasonable to think different terms would have got the player. ETA: With the benefit of hindsight, is it fair to say that Antonio Cromartie was the difference in one or more of our 11 wins? I think so. Others may disagree.
