Cimini comment on Shotty......

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  1. Italian Seafood

    Italian Seafood New Member

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    Then the up-man in the punt formation will come under intense scrutiny.
     
  2. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    I think Izzo is due for a thread bashing him. Maybe we can discuss how Wayne Hunter should be on the two man wedge and Westhoff should be fired for not doing so.
     
  3. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Izzo has been terrible for us and why is Drew Coleman playing? he kills us every week.
     
  4. Italian Seafood

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    I thought Coleman had a good game Sunday.
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    He did make one nice play but that was about it.
     
  6. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    ND you are on the money.

    I mean seriously guy's what the hell has BS accomplished in his coaching football career that has put him on such an untouchable level? and please don't say he developed Drew Brees, because if I remember correctly, as someone pointed out on this forum, Drew was benched in his second year under BS tutelage and the Chargers went out and drafted a QB because DB was not getting it done.

    Look at him now, under Sean Payton, a good offensive mind with the Saints he turned out to be what the Chargers thought he would be. The situation for MS is heading down the same road, if he continues under BS tutelage he will be average and not meet his full potential.

    Personally I prefer Cavanaugh over Callahan, because Cavanaugh has the reputation of being a run first OC.
     
  7. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    People have been complaining about Schotty since 2007. He hasn't improved very much.
     
  8. Johnny4

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    I'm not a Weis fan. He is a lightning rod and a stubborn knowitall. If Schotty and Weis were both available as OC's Schotty would get a lot more phone calls.
     
  9. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Give me a break, I have had problems with Schotty for a while, and when he was hired back by Rex, this was like his proving year, the year we knew that the evil thumb of Mangini wouldn't be holding him back and he would have the room to become the genius OC that we have been waiting for since 2006. Instead, we have inconsistency, head-scratching playcalls, and too much trickery, not quite attacking the weaknesses of the opposition.

    I will grant you, the personnel selection is not as rigid and the playcalling isn't quite as head-scratching as it was last season, but it's there.
     
  10. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    Well there was a comment made Saturday by one of the commentators during the ND game that Weiss had received 6 calls in regards to him being an OC if he were to be fired.

    We will see if BS receives any calls next year when he is relieved of his responsibilities.
     
  11. Jet Blue

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    And that Buffalo game IMO is on the OC and Not Sanchez....

    There was no reason to throw that often in those conditions... That's a game where you hand off all day and allow a team like Buffalo to self implode - especially once they got the lead.....

    If I'm working with Joe Montana in that game I look to control the clock and the ball and run all day and walk away with a W won in the trenches.....

    Sanchez should have simply gotten a feel for the cold that day and walked away unscathed.
     
  12. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    Do you honestly believe that?
     
  13. Big Blocker

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    I don't think it all that impressive. This is a team game. Despite how important the Qb is, having a winnable game the team loses because the Qb shat the bed is a problem. Plus the implication that this team would be 8-3 if not for the OTHER failings of the team is laughable. So, Sanchez is responsible for three losses, and some combo of the other 52 guys is responsible for the other three?

    Look, this is a team that is ranked second in the league rushing the ball, yet has the 29th ranked Qb, with total points scored dropping to 17th. Seems like it is the passing game, as we all know, that is holding the team back. And oh yeah the D is ranked second in the league.

    Those numbers do not add up to saying anything close to Sanchez having a right to claim 8 victories all by his lonesome.

    Something tells me if the team even had an average Qb in there right now, they would be 8-3, despite the occasional failings in those games you refer to.

    For example, look at the pivotal Jville game. Yeah, the Jags won on a last second FG. Yep, they sure did march down the field behind in the score. I agree.

    But if you look at the overall game, the teams were pretty even. The main difference? Garrard threw no picks, and Sanchez threw two. One for a pick six.

    And how about that the measly three points the D gave up on the last possession were the only points they gave up the whole second half?

    So, who lost that game?
     
  14. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    ^ Sanchez didn't throw a pick 6, they got the ball back on a MJD fumble at the 1.

    The D shut down the Jags all game but when it came to crunch time they allow a 5 minute drive and had to allow MJD to score to get the ball back because they believed Sanchez could drive down the field again without a problem. Why does a 2nd ranked defense have to want a RB to score so they can hand the ball back to a rookie QB to win the game? That shouldn't be. That defense is what should be winning the games this year, and that belief has been given to me by the HC himself.

    The defense lost that game.
     
  15. Italian Seafood

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    I've figured it out---you are Kellen Clemens. Get back to practice, man, you have a game Thursday night!!
     
  16. Big Blocker

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    My apology, yes, the first Jville score was set up by the first Sanchez int, returned to their 45.

    The bottom line is the D gave up three points in the second half, but because you have some artificial standard that they are responsible for the loss if it came in the opponent's last possession, other parts of the team, meaning in your case really Sanchez, are absolved from all responsibility. That's ridiculous.
     
  17. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    not to mention, that when there's a CODE BLUE, your beer's ready to provide maximum refreshment with a taste a cold as the Rockies! :up:
     
  18. Italian Seafood

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    It all depends on how you look at it--in the context of the whole game or how it played out at the end. Nobody expects a rookie QB to be mistake free all game, but he has managed to come up with TD drives when we've needed them to get the lead late, in Miami and the Jags game, both times the defense couldn't hold it.
     
  19. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    that's what i would have replied with.

    When it comes to crunch time, Sanchez has come through minus the games he's looked awful in.

    The defense stopped doing that after week 3.
     
  20. Italian Seafood

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    As bad as the Buffalo game was for Sanchez, we were lined up for the game winning FG in OT. A lot of that was Leon and a short pass or two, but we were there. Not Sanchez's fault Hartstock set us back with a penalty and then we drop the snap on the kick.
     

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