Cimini comment on Shotty......

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  1. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Sanchez has had a very good rokkie season minus the 3 awful games and you have to expect a rookie will have a few awful games. If our season was totally dependant on sanchez performing we'd be 8-3 right now. Schottenheimer has done an excellent job w/ him and it would be a mistake to let him go. All OC's will have some bad play calls now and then, paul hackett wasn't that long ago. brian is a good OC and we should keep him.
     
  2. MadBacker Prime

    MadBacker Prime THE Dead Rabbit

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    I do agree that Sanchez has played well enough for us to be 8-3, I'm far from a Sanchez hater.

    I feel that installing this color codes system now is taking a step backwards that's all. They should've started with this and then gone with the all white reference guide.
     
  3. Big Blocker

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    I thought the coding was because Sanchez had his head up his anus.

    But I don't like Cimini, either. Not much to say about the guy, really.
     
  4. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    So, if every other player on the team played well enough to not lose a game, the Jets would be 8-3? That hardly means Sanchez deserves to be looked at as an 8-3 Qb.

    People toss that kind of number around implying that Sanchez has won 8 games for a team that would otherwise be what?

    I don't get it...
     
  5. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    I agree with you. And people seem to forget that B. Schottenheimer is directly responsible for Drew Brees' development (and I think Rivers as well.) The guy has tried to be far too cute with his playcalling, but obviously once Rex told him to dial it down, things took a turn for the better.

    I don't think the Jets will let him go, but he may walk because he no longer has the "complete" control he was told he would have when Rex got here. I'd like him to stay on at least through next year to see what he can do with an experienced Sanchez, but if he leaves, I'd personally prefer that Callahan get the promotion.
     
  6. MadBacker Prime

    MadBacker Prime THE Dead Rabbit

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    If the defense holds the opposing teams on the game winning drives we win.

    You have seen the last second plays by the other teams offenses right?
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I'm not for the color code system either but I think rex is listening to the media and fans on this one instead of seeing the big picture. This year is about developing the QB, if we win great but I'd rather go 6-10 and have him ready to be a big time player next year than go 10-6 and still have him waiting to develop. We could go 6-10 and he still doesn't develop but I think you get the point I'm trying to make.
     
  8. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand why people would be against the color code system? It seems like it's just helping the rookie develop by taking something off his plate. He has plenty of things to think about already, if Rex can take one part of that and simplify it, what's the problem? What negative could there be?
     
  9. AlioTheFool

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    See, now here I disagree with you.

    The color-code system is genius if you ask me. All it's meant to do is to show him when to slow down, and when to take advantage of a situation. I think it's safe to assume that Rex can read an opposing defense and see when he can call for a mismatch or when he should have the offense keep the ball protected. I don't think it has anything to do with the fans or the media.

    I agree with you on the record/result though. I only expected 4 wins this year coming in (6 tops) so we've already surpassed my expectations. As long as Sanchez progresses, whatever happens this year is a wash (especially given losing two of our biggest impact players.)
     
  10. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    We are getting to the point in the season where you have to trust him and let him take his lumps. By creating the color code system it takes aggressiveness away and makes him think more. W/ each play called he should have a system w/o the color code and he should have it down in practice.

    If it works stick w/ it but I'm not crazy about it. I think it can stunt his growth a bit.
     
  11. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    A real game winning qb leaves his team more than a single score ahead when he leaves the field the last time and the opponent gets the ball back.

    Are you saying the D gave up the win in the final possession 8 times?!? That is obviously incorrect.

    But at least I know what standard you are working with. A very generous one, to say the least.
     
  12. Big Blocker

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    Alot of Jet fans want to throw Schotty under the bus, quite obviously. I am not one of them. Plus you can't make much sense of getting rid of him unless you think someone better can be brought in. I don't think Callahan would be an upgrade. I don't see that fine point of discernment that would allow the casual viewer to tell where his genius level contribution is evident but somehow thwarted in the final product after Schotty makes his nefarious and destructive contribution. To the contrary the love for Callahan seems like it is intended to fully address the continuity problem that would arise if Schotty left. I don't think it does.

    Well it's true Callahan followed Chucky's departure from Oakland with an SB appearance, where his team proceeded to shit the bed and follow that up with a losing season that led to his firing. A mixed bag, at best.
     
  13. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    The breakdown of blame goes like this in our 6 losses:

    Sanchez: 3(@NO, Buf, @NE)
    Defense: 2(@Mia, Jax, though they should share blame for NE loss)
    STs: 1(Mia)
     
  14. NDmick

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    The Jets defense has allowed 2 final second lead changes to lose the game.

    And it was Sanchez giving the jets the lead. The kid is a good 4th quarter QB.
     
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    Exactly. For a rookie QB to only be responsible for 3 losses is impressive. If the defense held those leads, we would be discussing how Sanchez is a great comeback player and we'd all be comfortable with losing in the 4th quarter and having the rookie get the lead to win the game.

    but the kid has to score 14 pts in one drive because the defense can't hold the lead in the closing seconds.
     
  16. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I'm w/ you but which was the 3rd? Definitely @ Miami and vs. jax. I can't blame the D for the Buf game when sanchez threw 5 INTs.
     
  17. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    it was 2. my bad.

    NFL Network did have a stat that included the buffalo game as a final second loss, but that was in overtime. Doesn't really count as "final seconds" when its in the middle of the 5th quarter, but they included the sudden death clause as final seconds
     
  18. Italian Seafood

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    Shotty is this year's TGG blame guy, every year there has to be one--one consensus pick by the board to throw under the bus for all our problems. It's never a new guy and this year the coach and QB are new so it's Shotty. Last year it was Mangini, before him it was Chad, before him it was Herm. This year everything is Shotty's fault and nobody will be happy until he's gone so next year they can find a new guy to blame for everything.
     
  19. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    the day there is no coach or player to hate every week, this team is a real contender.
     
  20. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    I have the belief that if the OC is doing his job correctly and is guiding the young child along the right way, this color coding BS wouldn't be needed.
     

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