Pennington is gonna win the starting job? It's still HIS TEAM??? What rock were you living under for the past 2 years? Pennington rode the pine for over half the 2007 season because he stunk it up big time. How the hell does that make him the favourite to be the starter this year??!! I would take a healthy Chris Simms anyday over Pennington. I wish people would just quit drinking the Pennington kool-aid....the guy is done!! He can't throw on a rope, he crumbles in the 4th quarter, and the only way he connects on a 25 yard pass is if there's a strong wind behind him.....nuff' said!
Who's everybody? The guy was a third round pick, only drafted that high because of his dad. Bring him in for competition, but thats it.
I can't believe some of the crap i'm actually reading here. Chris Simms ? Really? over Chad? Really? People say Chad's injury prone yet for Simms it's "If he can stay healthy". They say Chad has a weak arm. Ok So I guess Simms has a friggin rocket? uh.......NO. The Anti-Chad has really got to stop.
I can't understand why anyone would have a problem with that. Additionally, if Simms were to actually win the job, we know what we'd be using our top 10 pick for next season, assuming we didn't grab a guy in the upcoming draft.
ummm forgive me for being sick of losing, watching fourth quarter game-changing interceptions being thrown, and wanting to see my favourite NFL team to win. I don't call that "Anti-Chad"....I just call that wanting the Jets to succeed. I'm not saying that Simms is the next QB messiah....but i'll take a guy that can at least throw the football 20 yards....without it fluttering into the hands of an opposing CB/Safety.
I will buck the trend on this board and go with this CS first assessment of Kellen Clemens. This is the guy that is going to be the Jets QB for this up coming season and beyond. It is my belief that KC will beat out CP in any head to head competition in TC this year. Yet, I have to tell you, like many I really don't think Chad is going to be around to offer that head to head match up. Unless he is willing to once again restructure his monies to make them more cap friendly, Chad will be traded or offered his out right release to make his own deal with another club. By doing so and along with the D-Rob restructure or release the Jets will then free enough money to take care of the young veterans like Rhodes and others for the years ahead. This will make for a very happy locker room and a very strong veteran leadership on this team for the foreseeable future...... As much as most of us all respect what Chad has done for the Jets and the warrior he has been, his time with us has pasted. This is unless he can be content with a back up role for a much lower wage, which we all know is not going to be the case. Kellen Clemens time has come and he will be given this season behind this revamped offensive line to show the Jets why they took him with the first pick in the second round. This ahead of other QB's who the experts believed showed more promise for future development. I again will say the coaching staff did get it right with this pick, but just failed to give him the tools he needed to succeed. I have no problem with the Jets taking a flyer in the 4 thru 7 round on another young QB, just as long as they give this kid a fair evaluation thru a whole season with the proper tools before conceding they chose unwisely with this pick....
This is actually a logical one. Think about it. They're both washed up veterans with more smarts than physical ability at this point and Simms has more upside cause he may actually get his strength back. Oh yeah, did I mention that Chad is getting $6 million this year vs. $1 million for chris.
I agree. While a lot of people on this board would never want to hear it, Chad could very easily lead us to the playoffs with the expected improvement of our offensive line. He may not always look good doing it, but he is capable of getting the job done. If Chad ends up beating Clemens out this summer for the starting job; then so be it. I want the best QB out there running our offense. We made a heck of an investment this year. We need the guy behind center who gives us the best chance at winning. I am not saying at this point that Chad is better than Clemens, because neither QB distinguished themselves last year. As long as we get the expected quality playing out of our offensive line then this year there is no excuses. The best guy takes the field.
I actually thought he was regularly out played by Major Appelwhite when they were both at Texas. But given the QB situation, he might be worth a shot.
I suspect you might be a minor and if so forgive this intemperate response to your silly post. We have a saying here in Scotland......."Away and lie in your own pish laddie!"
Quote: "...ummm forgive me for being sick of losing, watching fourth quarter game-changing interceptions being thrown, and wanting to see my favourite NFL team to win. I don't call that "Anti-Chad"....I just call that wanting the Jets to succeed...." Well, if you blame Chad for those losses, then you are anti-Chad, aren't you? Of course, those losses had little or nothing to do with Chad. First off, the offense cannot run. When they try, they go three and out, and here comes the defense. Guess what? The other team's offense can run just fine, thank you very much. And just when we begin to adjust to stop the run, the other team's offense chunks a pass, and pretty soon it's 7-0. After another three and out (we're still trying to 'establish' that non-existent running game) our defense shows up again. They get driven backward, down the field, 5 yards, and 4 yards, and 16 yards on a pass, and 6 yard and 5 yards, and another pass. Pretty soon it's 14-0. We're still in the first half, and everybody knows we're going to have to pass the ball. When our offense comes out it's still running into that brick wall. The response will be a 3 point field goal this time. Hey, it's only 17-0. For the NYJ that is the same as 40 - 0. Because when they finally admit that they have to pass, everybody in the stadium (friend or foe) and everybody watching on television knows that the NYJ just have to pass. Guess what happens, the DL starts stunting getting to the NYJ QB before he can get back to set up. First, it starts as sacks. Next it starts as hurried throws just before the QB gets taken down. Next it's chasiing the hell out of the QB to see if they can make him chunk an INT. There's no time to run an out and up. There's not enough time to run a play-action. Nobody would believe the run anyway when you're still under 60 yards for the game in running yards. How did we get in this situation? The OL can't block for crap -- not for passing, and not for running. The offense gets on and off the field so fast they don't even break a sweat on most series. The Defense gets to drink a swig of water and their back on the field. After a few of these out and ins, the Defense is panting away and has its hands on its hips. Gee, I guess this is all the QB's fault, he left his "MOJO" at home, he didn't wear his magic socks to the game, and his girlfriend or wife is in the stands with a mock jersey of his with pink numbers instead of green numbers. There's a mystical reason why that gd QB has gone and done it to us again. We just can't rely on this terribly expensive savior anymore. There are no miracles left in that $10 million arm. This QB sucks. He's got a brain freeze. He couldn't fight his way out of brown paper bag that was wet down just 5 minutes ago with a fire hose. What a pathetic excuse for a winning QB this schmuck is. Meanwhile, the Big Uglies on that OL are getting a pass, because what they do isn't glamourous, and their names have too many syllables, and the camera doesn't love them, and the announcers can't remember who does what, and Tony Siragusa is just shaking his head and making a joke. You guys only hate what the camera shows you. You guys only get frustrated because the person who handles the ball is supposed to win the game in your eyes. But, guess what, the game is won and lost at least 80% of the time because of what happens outside of the Ball's POV. I guess this is a good argument for a simultaneous multiple screen coverage of the NFL chess match, so the poor fans can see the freight train coming before it runs us over.
Early on he did but Applewhite lost his job to Simms. Still a big controversy there but only because of Oklahoma. Simms still has several school records and is tied with Vince Young on a couple of others. He was no slouch.
I happen to really respect and love Phil Simms' work in the NFL. He was a warrior and he is an honest broker when it comes to reporting on what he sees. But Chris Simms has yet to prove his mettle. He threw down the gauntlet in Tampa Bay and his OL killed him. Now we have to see whether he has recovered, not just his health, and confidence, but his SKILLS. Who will give him that chance? I think BP in Miama will be the one. We have no reason at the NYJ to do such a thing.
i dont want him he sucks, he choked in every big game he played in college, i live in tampa fl, and watch most all of his starts w/the bucs, and he could only complete passes to guys that were wide open, he couldnt complete passes in any windows at all
Quote: "...Pennington rode the pine for over half the 2007 season because he stunk it up big time..." The CS pulled Chad out of the game because the season was lost -- not because Chad was bad. The CS wanted to give Kellen every chance to gain some experience in trials by fire, since there was no longer anything to be gained from the season. Your statement indicates you believe that Chad was the cause of the record. The OL did not give any of the skill players a chance on offense. The OL was responsible for the three and outs that wore down the defense and caused us to lose a lot of games in the 4th quarter. It didn't matter who the QB was, or who the RBs were -- we were going to lose because our line could not block for the run and could not hold anybody out for the pass. I know it's a pretty serious indictment but there it is. If we don't get a DL that can stop the run and a front seven that can rush the passer we will continue to be a doormat. If we don't get an OL that can dominate the line of scrimmage for the run and for the pass, then we will continue to be a doormat. Perhaps this is not as romantic a quest -- getting some Big Uglies who are strong enough and mean enough and who want to win the line of scrimmage badly enough -- as seeking after the next John Elway. But until we force NFL teams to respect us at the line of scrimmage, we will continue to be disrespected and laughed at. No amount of gnashing your team or bashing the QB is going to change this.
in all your rants about Chad, can you explain the pick 6's in the cincy and giant games.. and the chronic 4th quarter losses during his career? I was the biggest Chad supporter until last year... and then i saw the end of someone's career, without the blind bias of being Jet fan and watching Chad grow up. i know that his time is over, its time to move on- its not time to give Chad "another chance"-- its time for him to be a backup and then retire, or go to another team, just like Vinny Testaverde.
fuck ramapo hs we lost to them at giants stadium in the freezing cold in the fucking championship game by three points (30-27) back in '04. i'll never forget that day. we were underdogs but i remember the loss being heartbreaking. the next year was even worse because we were actually the favorities, having beaten wayne hills during the season, and we played on hometurf. but we choked, missed an extra point, and on the potential game-winning drive, our qb threw an interception in the end zone when all we needed to do was run it on third down to set up the winning field goal. i think we lost by that extra point, but im not sure. anyway, fuck ramapo.
Chad Pennington vs. Chris Simms I would go for Simms in a New York minute! Simms was a great QB before his spleen got injured. (Chad was a great QB as wel, before his this and that and the other thing got injured.) The JEts signed a lot of talent in the offseason but seem to be missing a QB and a few other essential elements. Simms would be a good backup tp CP or KC, maybe more.
A Tampa guy has to chime in here - Simms sucks monkey balls. His “good season” was a joke – he was three hail Maries away from going 2 – 8 or whatever and the first three games before he was taken out of his misery…he was just awful. It was laughable when Gruden cut Greasie and went with Simms (Greisie went 6 – 0 before he was hurt an I think they ended up 11 – 5 that year)
You are confusing the NFL with college. All of my comments were regarding what colleges thought about him coming out of high school where he was the number 1 prospect in the country.
