I don't think the Jets were that coherent overall in their thinking on the issue. I think they did decide that the defense had to be propped some because of the emerging talent issues on that side of the ball with aging and injuries taking their toll. I also think that it's not as easy to find a RT who can act like a LT when a a lefty QB enters the game. Obviously Reilly Reiff would have filled the bill but I'm not sure anybody else that was available was going to be good in that role. The Jets are going to have both a RT and a TE on Tebow's blindside. There's already an extra blocker over there to help out. The formation doesn't shift when a lefty QB comes into the game, just the location of his blindspot.
There's a list of QB's that left Schotty's tutelage and played much better. I actually agree that doesn't mean Sanchez will do better with a different OC, but I do think it's pretty damning on Schotty.
I hear you. Seems like the front office and coaches are airing out grievances or something, lol. Like this is the kind of stuff they couldn't say before in fear that Mark Sanchez would respond badly? But with Tebow in the fold, a by-product is that they can now talk more openly about what went wrong? Which also validates the rumors of players feeling that Mark was coddled. And that Mark was not coachable and unwilling to listen. It sets the stage for a Team-first mentality, nobody is above reproach and criticism or the law. So to speak.
That may be and I'm sure you know more than me about that subject but you're right. My main point is that when you have a QB and an OC that have been together for 3 years and you are unsatisfied with their success, it is foolish to expect a jump in QBR when you don't know whether it was on the QB or the OC, because they have always been together. Just because an OC sucks doesn't mean he can't have a "bad" qb(not calling Sanchez bad). It is especially ill-advised to expect a moderate increase in success when you are bringing in a guy like Sparano who hasn't been in charge of an offense by himself before(that I know of) and you are using stats from an offense that he was not in charge of, aside from possibly the offensive line to a degree. I'm not trying to rain on you guys' parade(although I hope Sparano crashes and burns) but I see way too much blind optimism when it comes to Sparano.
who is on that list? Chad in '08 b/c he was HEALTHY? Favre in '09 b/c he was back in his familiar system? to blame everything on the OC isn't fair, there is plenty of blame to go around for the failure of 2011.
When did I ever blame everything on the OC? You should review my post history before accusing me of that because it's just not true. Favre, Pennington, Brees, and Rivers all played much better after Schotty was out of there lives. Obviously he was only the OC for two of those cases so I put less stock in the other two, but the connection is there none the less.
I didn't say you did He was the QB COACH in SD, you are blaming him for Brees(even though Brees was already a top QB in SD before he left) but nto crediting him for helping to develop him and Rivers? Philip Rivers? seriously? Rivers didn't become a starter until Brian left. Schotenheimer deserves some criticism and he's earned that but let's not make stuff up. Again on Chad and Favre, he got Chad after TWO shoulder surgeries missing most of the previous season and he got Fvare w/ a month to go to the season in a new system for the first time in 15 years. Try to be fair.
You responded to my post with this: How exactly am I supposed to interpret that? How am I making anything up? Every QB that Schotty has been involved with in the NFL has done better after he was out of the picture. That's a fact. We will see if that holds up with Sanchez.
Going on this and also the previous post about where it all leads, one possible scenario is after they either get, or don't get, a PSL bump from Tebow, they move on assuming he is not the answer, either. "Hey we tried!" Well, not really in any coherent fashion did they, but I digress. I would not be the least bit surprised to see both Sanchez and Tebow fail. First of all, just because one might not or will not succeed does not mean the other will. Second, both are nowhere near polished NFL level Qb's, and who is going to help them get there with a focus on having two Qb's and a gimmick, non-NFL offense? I think I know the answer to that one. Add in a large does of media attention and a divided fanbase, and Rex still struggling to keep control of his locker room, and by mid November, with the Jets at 3-7, I would not be surprised to see McElroy go into the game and light it up. Okay, I admit it, this is a sort of dream I have been having on and off now between the usual sex stuff and the occasional flashback.
Geez, junc actually said those things? I guess like a broken clock... What you are making up by ignoring the context is that your assertion that Schotty held those guys back is bs. Rivers? Seriously? Your cred took a huge hit there, dude.
I would never think that someone would support Schottenheimer THIS much in my entire life. Good Lord! The offense will be dumbed down and simple I don't see how Sanchez wouldn't thrive. And you really wish for McElroy to succeed? If he's starting then we're in big fucking trouble. For now and the future. Dude has absolutely no arm strength Sent from my ADR6300 using Tapatalk 2
I was responding to your quote but I wasn't saying you were saying you blame it all on him but many others do. You are making things up, not giving him credit for Brees, Rivers and sanchez developing but knocking him when guys weren't as good. To blame the QB coach for Brees and Rivers is silly especially when Brees developed into a top QB in NO where he probably had his 2nd best season in his career in 2004. as for Rivers, he didn't play when brian was the QB coahc there, he became the starter in 2006 when Brian was in NY. and again Chad was fresh off 2 shoulder surgeries on his throwing shoulder in the previous 2 years, he never had a healthy Chad. Favre was in a new system for the first time in 15 years and didn't want to be here. It's silly misinformed stuff and you know better than that.
Like I said, I put less stock in those two guys because he wasn't the OC, but the link is still there. He was involved. I also don't put all the blame on Schotty. That doesn't change the fact that all QB's have done better without Schotty than they did with him. It doesn't mean Sanchez is going to do better without him or that Bradford will do worse with him, it's just a fact that as of right now doesn't look good for Schotty. There are many other (better) reasons to get on Schotty than this little tidbit.
Schottenheimer I would assume is a decent QB coach but his offensive philosophies and playcalling are horrid it won't translate well in St Louis Sent from my ADR6300 using Tapatalk 2
It always traces back to that bastard. I'm amazed on how protected Schottenheimer is after getting let go. Instead let's just tell the media that the players caused the rift and fucked everything up. There's still a missing element to this entire story. To this day if anyone else called plays for the Jets none of this would be happening. At this point the Jets are STILL playing the blame game and it's getting old real quick. Sent from my ADR6300 using Tapatalk 2
Yep, he was involved and help develop 2 of the best QBs in the league(#s wise, Brees is actually a top guy while Rivers is overrated) but somehow this is a negative on his career b/c Brian was only involved in his 2nd best year. I think Mark is going to have his best year more b/c he's in year 4, he'll actually have some continuity in the receiver dep't, the Ol should be healthy(at least to start the year) and I think Bradford is going to have his best year not b/c of Brian but b/c he's a super talented QB that took a step back last year after a good rookie year.
You misread my position. I don't think Schotty is a great OC. Never said that, don't think it. Never have. But I think he is scapegoated by a large percentage of fans who just do not want to accept that the problems are more widespread, and that many of them have to do with a lack of execution, that in turn may well be based on a lack of talent on the offensive roster. As far as McElroy is concerned, why would I not want him to succeed if, and i concede it is a big if, he got in there? No arm strength? Quite the hyperbole, no? But even with less than average arm strength, he could be an effective Qb as long as he doesn't throw into triple coverage and hold the ball too long.
The fact is college QB's today are much more NFL ready than in years past which is why you see guys doing well out of the gate then not taking huge strides (Matt Ryan comes to mind) Sanchez did not get that much college experience so he is behind but has bigger upside. This is the year to prove it.
