It may or may not be, I just find it a little troubling that management seems to want Sanchez to be a better game manager when Rex and Tanny can't even manage the staff.
Good for Cavanaugh. Sounds like everything he said was basically correct. Sanchez needs to get alot better this season. Hopefully Sparano's offense will help make that happen - otherwise bring in Tebow and see if he can get the chains moving.
Did you see what Cav said in context, though? They did point things out. Apparently... Mark wasn't hearing it. It sounds more like Cav is saying, that nobody, including the coaching staff could get Mark to grasp he wasn't playing well, he wasn't focused, he wasn't excelling at certain things, he needed to work harder, which Cav is indicating was the/one of the major areas of issue. Mark thought he was playing fine... Others thought he was not, he would not take what was being said to him. Mark was thinking he took the team to two AFC Championship Games, the problems with the team weren't really on him/related to him, they were elsewhere... Despite trying to tell Mark he had issues with his reads, he was making poor decisions, he wasn't doing certain things right, he had to get better in certain areas... Mark wasn't hearing that, and wasn't working/taking that to heart and trying to improve. It sounds like Cav is saying they did try to reach him, but nothing was working, not even when the team got to (8-5), Mark still was thinking he was playing fine. It wasn't until the team melted down, and all else happened and there was chaos and upset, and the team got to (8-8) that Mark was finally ready to listen to what others were saying to him. After all of that. So, no, I think Cav is almost absolving the coaches etc., by saying point blank essentially, Mark thought he was great, he wouldn't listen to anyone, we TOLD HIM, we TRIED to coach him, he wouldn't let us. Here it is with a bit more context: For the record, I'm sort of split on whether this was a good idea--speaking out, I mean. One, Cav's comments pretty much validate a good portion of some of the things said about Mark in some of the reports that leaked out at the end of the season, at least in my opinion. Particularly, that Mark couldn't take criticism, that Mark's head was buried in the sand, that Mark didn't respond well when anyone would tell him things weren't going well, etc., that when teammates tried to work with him he wasn't really grasping the issues at hand, that Mark's work ethic was slightly dicey (this only validates the work ethic in that... if Mark thought he was playing fine he probably wasn't working as much as he should/could be on the themes/issues being pointed out to him by others), etc. This team needs nothing more than to move forward, and while that doesn't mean ignoring the past, and that does mean learning from the past... Continuing to take swipes at Mark in the press, especially when those swipes have themes of shots taken at Mark by others.... All while Mark has to stand up and continue to reaffirm EVERYONE has full faith in him, he's fine, he's the starter, there are no issues... And when it's been speculated he's "fragile," which, at the rate some of the other things that have been said about him are being seemingly validated... I have no reason to doubt Mark's "fragile" as well... I don't see how airing this critique publicly helps a "fragile" guy in this pressure cooker. AT ALL. Having said that, I also have to trust that I'm not part of the organization and thus, I grasp that every player responds differently to different approaches... I don't know, maybe Cav bit his tongue for three years... And he all but admits it took a complete meltdown of the team for Mark to grasp he needed to get better, so maybe they think talking to the press and making things public is the only way to keep Mark motivated, too. I don't know. But, it's evident Mark wasn't getting it, at least not at (8-5).... and at least not until after the Miami Meltdown. I hope Cav knows what he's doing here.
I find it hard to believe Sanchez just blew the coaches off. This guy is under an inordinant amount of pressure from fans, team mates, coaches, the media, i cant buy that mark just "blew them off" and figured he was playing well enough. Im more inclined to think he either needs more experience to learn how to make intillegent reads, or he cant handle them, ie:is something more instinctive and relying on intuition than something that can be coached. Hopefully its the former.
Actually, I think Sanchez is exactly how Coach Cav stated. Sanchez reportedly challenged Rex Ryan in a fight when he wanted Mark Brunell to do some reps with the first team; that sounds like a player who thinks he's the shit. And also other players on the team, fearful of how Mark was the exception to the rule, had to go to the press anonymously. And the mantra for bringing in Tebow was that it would push Mark Sanchez. Excuse me, this is the National Football league and Mark was a top 5 pick; he should be pushing himself to be focused and be more accountable for turning the ball over. And to me, that's the main thing that comes out of Coach Cav's comments.
I don't know that he blew them off per se, and I do think that's a strong indictment... I'll agree with you on that term, no doubt. But, I'm just going off of what Cav said point blank. I think at the very least that something was at play. For the record, I also agree with you that experience could have been playing a factor, as well as the complexity of Schotty's scheme, and I do think a new system will do wonders this season. Having said that... Per Coach Cav, Mark still wasn't getting focused even when the team was at (8-5) and it was only after they hit (8-8) and the team exploded that Mark started to realize he wasn't playing as well as he thought he was, despite them trying to go over a host of issues/topics with him, or as Cav termed them: themes. That's what Cav said. And, at this point, you know, honestly... The more I think about it, Cav's sentiment echoes what was allegedly said anonymously about Mark at the end of the season in all of those articles. It's a sentiment that Profootballtalk/NBC was reporting having heard midway through the season from higher ups in the organization who wouldn't go on record, but claimed on the topic of Mark there were people in the organization who were becoming increasingly less sold on him for the same reasons. Even claimed some higher ups were sure he wasn't the answer. It's the same sentiment Jamie Dukes of the NFL Network reported hearing from Jets' Coaches at the end of the season. Jamie claims to be close with multiple Jets Coaches, whom he wouldn't name... Jamie went as far as to say, the Jets' Coaches told him that the team thinks that Mark is THE ISSUE, and that some of the coaches are becoming certain he can't be "THE GUY" because Mark wasn't/isn't getting it, and that everyone knew that, and some people were afraid to say it, some people were ignoring it, and others were saying it aloud, leading to friction, because the coaches weren't all over Mark. Jamie said he was also told by the same Jets Coaches Mark's passes/timing were getting skill players nailed, coaches feared the players would be injured, because Mark was leading Dustin and Tone in to traffic, when he was supposed to be their eyes, so they rely on him to make the right reads, adjust properly, and that their skill players were hit in the head more last year, than the prior two years, due to Sanchez and issues related to him. Jamie intimated people don't know nearly half the issues that were going on behind the scenes related to Mark and why things spun out of control. A lot of that can be found on Jamie's twitter feed, quite honestly. He went on a rampage about Mark when a Jets fan tweeted him hate about the Jets perceived interest in Manning. He deleted some of the tweets... But, some still remain. He's also said all of that on Path to the Draft and NFL Total Access. It's the same theme that Tim Hasselback who claims to be close to one of the Jets QB's claims to have heard... Tim Hasselback has gone in to detail claiming he's heard these same things Cav said about Mark and more. Or Tim claimed to be bff with a Jets player? Something, he hears things from one of the players, apparently. It's the same sentiment that Chris Carlin and Adam Schein of SNY claim to have heard... Chris Carlin going as far as to say he heard from Jets Coaches Mark's inability to take coaching led to Mark having issues with the skill players because not only was Mark not being held accountable and working hard, Mark's QBing was putting them at injury risk, which led to the larger issues really snowballing... And, listen, Skip Bayless is crazed, but he intimated he'd heard from "someone close to the situation," he talks to Jimmy Sexton's camp (he reps Rex/Tebow/Schotty) part of the reason peeps flipped the script so badly last season was because the offensive coaches and then Rex were totally ignoring the issues at hand in regards to Mark, and some of the players all but begged them to step in, or help, or do anything, alter the game plans, change things, and they didn't, or at least it seemed they didn't from the outside... It didn't sound like Skip was speculating at all. He said he'd heard the reason things got so bad was because players were begging for the coaches to do something, and had gone to them multiple times, because they couldn't get through to Mark. At what point, you know, do the allegations being made on this topic start to be based in some kind of truth, ya know? Most of the sources/places the media is claiming to get this stuff from is coaches. Not all, but most places claim talking to coaches or team organization execs. Now Cav goes on record... I just think, at some point, where there's been that much smoke... Something is there. Who knows what, but at the very least, a lot of the same allegations keep getting bandied about and attached to Mark. Again, I just hope that Cav knows what he was doing talking to the press about this, as... I really want everyone to be able to move forward, not stay plagued by the past, or feel like they're being attacked by the media, pressure cooker is already turned up enough.
I say give him one more year. If he doesn't get better this year, then yeah, we should find someone else.
He works for Ryan, so I believe he did it for a reason: to light a fire under Sanchez bc he is going to have to play his best season. There have been enough stories about Sanchez being coddled. He is either serious about taking Jets to SB or serious about being Namath off the field.
After reading the article about Cav's quotes on Tebow, I think Cavanaugh got led in questioning. They asked him, "What does Sanchez need to improve on?" then, "What is Tebow working on?" I was okay with his response the first time, but this article takes it another level. Not only did he criticize Sanchez, but then he praised Tebow the next day. Cavanaugh should understand the picture that the media is trying to paint and not buy into it by giving them the answers they want. In his defense, they might not have printed other quotes that praised Sanchez or criticized Tebow. Rex should have a chat with him to make sure he understands how to talk to reporters. I'd love to post a link, but I'm too new.
sanchez will be fine this yr because sparano is trying to run the fucking wishbone so he wont ever throw it...and you thought you hated B.S....
I'm going to start this straight up with an apology for any lack of reading (in)comprehension because it's my birthday and I just got back froma VERY hardnight of drinking, but I do love my Jets and you're a very mature poster who seems to actually think before they post -- so I apologize if my post doesn't make any sense (it's 745 and I just got home...) But when I think of Mark Sanchez, I I don't thinkat 8-5, I honestly can't ever fathom that he's "happy" with that, or that he's "content" or that he's even remotely satisfied with 8 and 5. When I think of Sanchez, Obviously the first thought I think is that he's a dick (all jokes aside -- ) and that he's very motivated to further his career. I can't see him being content and "slouching" (as Revis would put it) because he thinks he's doing well enough. I honestly think any boneheaaded mistakes he made -- and they were stupid, were spur of the moment decisions that only instincts could control. Which goes back to my previous comment that only experience under NFL circumstances can only teach you -- not coaches. We have to remember this is this kids 4th year in football, OVERALL. Including College. That's the only saving grace I have in this kid.I hope he works out, he's shown moments of greatness, and he's shown moments of weakness. He's human, maybe that's why I like him but I still feel like he deserves one more year... at least. Edit: yet again -- Any points I have overlooked -- I'm REALLY sorry for, I'm just shitfaced right now, but I'm trying my hardest to have an honest debate/discussion.
Alright now this is getting a little ridiculous. If you are going to attribute his poor-decision making to adjusting to NFL circumstances(which he has had 3 years of dealing with, including playoff circumstances) then stop bringing up how little he played in college.
I don't think that stating the obvious throws anybody under the bus who isn't already there. Beyond that, as I understand it Cavanaugh did not seek out the media to make his comment, and there is no rule on the Jets against his doing what he did. Focusing on whether assistant coaches should or should not be making public statements is not the issue for me that it is for you. Or perhaps what you are saying is that people in the organization should only be saying homeristic things however ridiculous they may be. Anyway, the more important thing here is that the Jet CS is expressing doubts about Sanchez, and no doubt has them.
I think they started doubting him last year, and if Mcelroy was not hurt he would have been in some games.
Then in todays Daily News Paper Cavanaugh is sucking off Tebow. Talking about how good he is and he has progressed nicely over the last couple of months. If Sanchez hasnt done what he thought he would do then he is only a reflection of the QB Coach. What QB coach you know goes out and conducts interviews? Just be happy you got a job. I say get rid of Cavanaugh if he still wants to play the divided locker room game. That was last year this is a new season.
Cavanaugh also talked about how he needed to work on some things. Of course Mehta is going to highlight the good comments said about Tebow and the negative ones said about Sanchez. The media wants a QB controversy in the worst way and they're going to push it by doing little things like this throughout the offseason and regular season. Make no mistake about it - the media is going to make every effort to manipulate quotes to their advantage. QB controversy involving Tebow in NYC = national coverage for these guys.
I am going to respond to this point in the context of what Always says in conversation with some others below your post. At this point in the off season, trying to figure out what is going on in terms of where the Jet organization is in respect of their Qb situation, their offense, and what the CS on O is trying to do, makes for particularly difficult tea leaf reading, it seems. For example, why the contract extension for Sanchez if they are really unhappy with him? If Cavanaugh is trying to send Mark a message, imo which almost certainly is one Cavanaugh at least thinks is one Ryan also wants to send, then how does that stack up with the contract extension? As fans, we are impatient, and for justifiable reasons, imo. We see a window closing given the age of the core players on the team, and some of their contract situations, like Revis's. Meanwhile we have a problematic situation at Qb, with someone who as his supporters are constantly prepared to argue "TOOK THE TEAM TO TWO AFC CHAMP GAMES IN A ROW!" On the other hand we have him continuing to wallow in the stat hell that is the bottom quarter of the league. And last year's 8-8 finish, with losing 5 out of the last 8. Perhaps the lack of management you refer to is due to a real controversy within the organization. If you think about it, that is not so hard to understand, given the situation. You have a GM invested in his roster choices and the overall strategy they represented. You have an owner involved very much in those roster choices and related marketing of the team. You have an HC who is learning the management of the O and overall team on the job, now entering his fourth year after a diappointing third. And so do you have that Qb. Despite anything said to the contrary, the CS also now knows they have a potential issue in Tebow that could make this mess even more messy. They see the schedule. They know their original plan of bringing in Todd Haley to run the passing game went nowhere, and that Sparano is new to the team. And most importantly they have that question mark at Qb. How come Sanchez crapped the bed last year? Notice Cavanaugh said nothing about a pinched nerve, the last refuge of Sanchez Homers in excusemaking. Instead he seems, quite clearly to me, to be focusing on a frustration with Sanchez's apparent lack of understanding of the situation last year. As you allude to, perhaps that is not all Sanchez's fault. What did Mark make of Ryan's essentially unqualified support in those ridiculous post game pressers last year? How does he really feel about Schotty leaving? And Cavanaugh staying? So no, I don't take the position this is all Sanchez's fault, and in that regard the move to bring Tebow in was really counterproductive, essentially inexplicable except as a marketing move by Woody. And maybe just a little bit of floundering around in an attempt to light a fire under Sanchez. It goes back to the difference between working hard and being coddled, I think. From all accounts Sanchez is at the facility working. But then there are those coddling allegations. I think those have to do with concerns that either the CS is not holding Mark to account, or as Cavanaugh alludes to not getting through to him. Focusing on what Cavanaugh talked about, we really can't say for certain what percentage of the responsibility is the CS's, and what is Sanchez's. But we do know that there is a real concern it is not working, and one thing you can be sure about that is that as far as the coaches are concerned, they are going to not only blame Sanchez, but seek to make him take the fall for it if he does not improve. Going back to our frustration, I think we have to also acknowledge this is a tough situation for the CS to deal with. Some within it are probably more supportive of Sanchez, some less so. They may well be trying to reach a consensus, or more to the point are attempting to figure out what standards to hold Sanchez to, how to handle him going forward, that sort of thing. My guess is they are struggling to come up with a consensus. I don't envy them. I am not happy with it as a fan, but if I step back from that perspective, it's not so hard to guess what is really going on over there.
Maybe cav is woody's guy. and Woody wants Tebow in. He knows we will still watch the Jets no matter what , and think of all the extra dollars from fans accross the country that love Tebow. If they can win the same amount of games with Tebow as Mark what QB do you think woody wants. Think of it as owning a business because that is what it is , you will do what brings in the most $$$$. just a little conspiracy theory. LOL
Contract extension freed up cap space. Basically, it makes it easier to move or trade Sanchez in 2013 if he doesn't work out this year. Here's why: because the guaranteed portion of his contract was converted into 8 million dollar bonus, making the last 3 years non-guaranteed and in a trade a team only has to pay the 8 million for a 4 year contract. Jets saved cap space and paid Sanchez an extra 2.5 million or so, but made his contract more open after this year in terms of deciding if they want to keep him or move on.
Look, there's way too much BS in the article. There is another possible explanation. THey're using a little negative motivation. It stands to reason, with Schotty gone, Sanchez' completion % (and QBR) is going to go up. If you want to motivate the player the time to do it (and one of Cavanaughs comments alludes to that) is now, BEFORE he gets successful. If you go back the Henne at Miami, his last two years his Compl. % was above 60%. If you want to see bad decision making, he's your example. Completing more than 60%, and still kept his QBR around 75.
