warren sapp had simeon rice and anthony mcfarland right next to him + terrific linebackers and a terrific backfield (remember? one of the best defenses of all time?). d-rob had abraham and ferguson right next to him in 04 and he shined. in 05 he had friggin james reed next to him and got double teamed most of the time. we never really gave him a chance to be our warren sapp. that being said...warren was still by far the better pass rusher. you cant compare any DT to warren sapp
I agree D'rob in 04 with Feguson, Ellis and Abe, Vilma, Barton and Hobson/Brown was decent. He was probably the the 5th or 6th best player on our front 7 in 04. That's not getting it done.
i dont see why people waited to call him a bust theyve been doing it since he got here. im not supporting him but i dont think hes garbage. hes not a NT, and for him to silence critics he has to have a true NT next to him in a 4-3. only time he fit the bill was when Ferguson was next to him. other than that hes decent. is he a good player? I think as a 3-4 DE or back in the 4-3 if hes next to a true NT. other than that Jets fans are understandably angry watching an out of position player we payed a high price for fail to perform.
I have been defending DR since day 1, but at this point, I have no choice but to call him a bust. He was good when paired with Fergie in a 4-3. He is not a NT, and he wasn't great as the 3 technique tackle either. In the right situation, he is probably a better than average tackle. But here, he is a below average NT.
First of all...am I someone who commonly justifies moves by Bradway or justifies many players performing poorly? I don't think so. So this is not some hidden agenda to try and blindly support the jets.. Here's my thing once and for all... Apparently to label someone a bust...I have much higher standards than others. To me a bust has to be an absolute disaster. They have to have obscene character issues, injury problems or dramatic lack of time on the field/production. To me, draft decisions and a player's production are 2 completely different things. Once a player is on a team..regardless of how he was acquired..it is what it is.If you judge everything based on where a player came from..you are missing the boat in terms of player evaluation. The player has no control over who drafted him, or signed him and at what cost. So I do not make the connection as such.So w/ that in mind...I cannot classify a player, who has made some solid contributions on the field, who has missed limited time due to injuries and has had no off the field issues...a bust. If you want to talk about the trading of 2 first rounders for D rob's service...I'll be glad to attest that it was a bad move. No DT will ever be worth 2 first rounders nor a top 5 pick. They just don't make enough of an impact in terms of playmaking ability or marketing to be given that much precedence and/or cap figure. However,(and am no way am I defending it) I think acouple factors have to be kept in mind that are forgotten when people speak out against D rob... 1. The draft class he came from is one of the worst ever. Names like Charles Rogers, William Joseph, Michael Haynes, and Jonathan Sullivan. In fact in terms of on field production D rob doesn't stack up too badly for 1st rounders. The 2 1st rounders we gave up would most likely have been for 2 other dissapointments. 2. Say what you will about his production...but in terms of pure technique and playing within his role...he has been a solid commodity. Dominant? Not consistently. A playmaker? No. But he HAS been dependable(up until the scheme switch of this year). When you look at the DT's we've had of the past.. D rob is considerably better. This position has been a big void for this team for quite a number of years. D rob brought at least SOME consistency to the position. We should at least be able to take satisfaction in that. THOSE are my points. Overpaid? yes. Dominant? No. Struggling in a new scheme? Absolutely. But he is not an all out bust like many of you have been proclaiming since the first game of his rookie year.
Robertson will be a ex-Jet in o7'. Robertson's claim to fame was the NFL Combine in 03'. His Combine numbers were off the charts. Bradway wasn't the only GM who fell in love either with Robertson. Unluckily for us he had the two #1's and was able to make the deal to draft Robertson.Next year either through FA or the draft we will get a DT who can play the middle. Robertson hasn't played up to his drafting slot that he had prior to his draft. As people say :shit:
Great players play well no matter what the position, no matter who is around them. A great player makes the players around him better, rather than needing the players around him to be better in order to perform. DRob is not a great player, let's get that fact out of the way first. Now the question is, is he an average player or not? You can make an argument for that. I don't care to make it because he is being paid like a great player, and his supporters keep claiming he is great. That is my only issue with him. If he was a 6th round pick or something, I'd feel his play is commensurate with his pay and expectations. But the guy isn't. This guy just isn't any good, and he's never going to be any good. I'm pretty sure he got taken out a lot during the game too. I think Mangini gave up on him.
people have bad picks, look at detroit, in past 5 years or so they have picked like 3 QBs they all been busts
In the age of the Salary Cap you have to consider how much the player costs and that's a HUGE difference in today's player evaluation because you simply can't rate players without considering the cost and makeup of the entire team. When DR is let go, it's going ot be called a "Salary Cap Casualty" - And if DR was just a FA walk on making minimum, he'd probably have a role on the team.... Salary CERTAINLY plays a role in evaluating players - we dont' can can't evaluate DR on the same level as say a James Reed. Yeah, the Draft pick thing SUCKED and it's behind us - Luckily, at least Mangini has no ties to that stupid deal and can just cut ties with DR without feeling the Guilt, shame and embarrassment a d Bradway should feel in that situation.
I think he is a bust. You can see this and that about him producing. However we gave up all these picks for him and he was #4 overall. If he isnt good next year then it is official. I saw potential in 2004 however he has just stunk it up since. There are many more d-tackles Id rather have.
Good point. For you the debate ended the first game of his rookie year.Face it, no matter what the guy does...you want him to be a bust...why a jets fan would WANT one of theuir young players to be considered a bust is beyond me. But you go right ahead.
Thats it in a nutshell..this post handles the whole argument perfectly. Has he lived up to the billing and the trade? No. But lets all be honest here...this guy will never be a ted washington type nt in a 3-4 defense. Hes not the type of guy thats going to take on 1 or 2 offensive lineman to free up the linebackers. He was drafted as a "speed" dt...and showed glimpses his first year. He is playing a position now that doesnt fit his style...so that would make him a poor draft choice TODAY....but not at the time. Was he worth moving up for? No..not today. If let go will other teams playing a 4-3 jump on him? Most certainly.
He was the 4th pick in the draft. No way in hell has her played up to those expectations. I still think he can be a valuable asset....
