Yknow, what does it matter? Bryan Thomas was probably labeled a bust years ago and he's been a solid contributer so far this season. I don't see where the official label comes in. It's not like the Jets can get their money back.
If mangini is going to be a great coach, he needs to understand who on the team deserves to play and who needs to be replaced. As I am a very long time suffering jet fan, i know change does not happen overnight. I expect this year to be a shakedown year wher EM learns all about his players. Not too many changes can happen during the year as the bench guys are usually not as good as the starters, but after the season EM needs to put his stamp on the team. We will see what he thinks of DR at that time.
thats what you expect out of ur #4 pick who was suppose to be the best thing since warren sapp entered the league... kevin williams went #12 that year he is a dominant DT. im sorry you cant put it any other way for D rob solid is not enough fore a #4 overall pick.. maybe if he was 2nd rd pick then fine.
And THAT My friend is "General Manager For Dummies" Lesson #1.... When you spend TWO 1st round picks on one guy and make him the #4 pick in the draft - RIDICULOUS EXPECTATIONS ARE EXPECTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hello. That's why People were pissed at Bradway at the time - What I hate are the people who bent over backwards to try to justify what Bradway did and then now turn around and again make excuses for the player. Nothing but, backpeddling and excuse making. Face it, it was a BAD MOVE.... All around and DR was nothing more than a Combine Stud who moved up the draft boards late and fooled a moron like Bradway into paying a huge ransom and setting up this No-Win situation the guy is in now.... Not only does he have to live up to to A #4 pick status but, he has to live up to TWO #1 picks.... AND the guy had injury concerns many of us didn't know about but, Bradway DID.... One of the worst moves ever. Stop trying to justify this Garbage.
finally someone tells the truth without tryna sugercoat it. if he was on the pats playing this bad everyone ont his board would be fast to point out the fact that he is a bust.. but because he is a jet he is a solid player. who ALMOST made the pro bowl in 2004.well solid players dont make the money he makes.
Is there anyone here who actually thinks he was worth the #13, #22, and a 4th rd pick? I sure as hell hope not!
All joking aside, the bottom line for me is this: I don't care if he is a DT OR a DE: The guy was MANHANDLED one on one all game. That is not good.
thing is, it's not like D-Rob demanded the picks we gave up. Bradway made the move to trade up and get him; so if you're going to blame someone, blame Bradway because Robertson may have fallen to #13 for all we know. Robertson is the same player whether he was picked #4, #13, or #189. the expectations are just much higher because of WHEN he was picked, which is totally beyond his control. you can't just assume the guy will play better because he was picked early and we gave up a boatload. personally, i'm in the wait department, because i think he may develop into a nice 3-4 DE -- but not in one season, or 1/4 of a season. he needs time. as someone else referenced, Seymour and Warren are the types of guys Mangini may possible make out of Robertson. so give the guy time to learn another position in yet another system cheers
Just a thought but maybe we can trade him to a 4-3 team that would put him back into his natural position in exchange for a wide ass nose tackle. OK, who knows what teams run the 4-3 and of those teams, which ones could use DR and also have a fat ass sitting around? Quick!!!
Seymour and robertson arent on the same planet as far talant goes.. seymour was DT just as he is a great DE. robertson is not fast nor strong. i dont see him as a effective DE but thats just me.
Unfortunately you can't look at it that way...... Yeah, Bradway is the Anti-Christ and DUmbest former GM going for setting us up here but.... Does A-Rod get the same kind of scruntiny that a Melky Cabrera would Get? No - Cuz the player that takes up more of your teams resources MUST put up or shut up to justify that $$$$ he's taking home and in the NFL if said player isn't bringing value to his squad then he's a BUST. Yes, it's a sad tale and maybe next year on a new team DROB can qualify for "Comeback Player of the Year or "Nice little player filling a Role"... Or "Real Good DT value for the low salary he now commands". But, for now - DR is one of the highest paid players on the team who is draining value from the team and it's expectations....... No it's not his fault he became the year's Combine and Pre-Draft hype player that Bradway Bit for but, and Yes, people can make excuses and judge the guy as if he were a Low Cost Walk on but, the reality is the Guy is a BUST - He's a BUST for the #4 Pick, he's a bust for the #22 pick - He might be ok for ONLY a 4th round pick put for ALL of the Above he is a BUST BUST BUST BUST BUST... BUST.
I don't think a DEGENERATIVE KNEE CONDITION - leads to a long productive career where you actually learn new positions and Turn into a Pro Bowl player. The question is when did Bradway know about the Knee? Bone on Bone to me means that player is just hanging on - Trying to stay at an NFL level for a few more years - that's ALL.
I'm not sure if he should be given that label just yet but he is on his way. I'm not sure how he fits into the 3-4 scheme. If we have to then we try and move him for something...hopefully he gains some value but he was being held out a lot yesterday. I'm not sure how much that hurts his psyche.
