I just don't get drafting Williams and then refusing to get rid of Richardson/Wilkerson when they actually had value. Now we're going to get nothing for Richardson as Wilk is untradeable. Drafting Williams was ONLY the right move if he moved one of them. I remember wanting Vic Beasley badly and the guy has turned into the relentless sack machine I thought he would be.
3-4 is overrated anyway. Requires a size and strength advantage at the NT to control two gaps, and there just aren't that many of those guys today who can dominate mammoth OL players. To really be dominant 4-3 defense, we need true DEs, though, and I think we don't have them. We really have all DTs, interior players. That's probably why Bowles is playing 3-4, to leverage that strength.
Still, I thought a hybrid 4-2-5 would have worked decently enough with Darron Lee's speed and Pryor's in the box capabilities. We saw a decent amount of this vs. the Redskins last year and it worked out nicely against them and a couple other teams.
Pryor played at a pro bowl level last year. He has definitely regressed, though I feel like it has more to do with scheme and the players around him than it does him. He needs to improve but of all the players on defense we should worry about, it's definitely not our young safety who's already shown he can do it.
He sure is no Landon Collins and to be honest with you he's been so up and down throughout his career that I have no clue what he is. He recently said that he has nothing to prove and that is a toxic attitude that permeates teams and makes young players coming into the league adopt a bad attitude. He is a hold over from Idzik and I wouldn't be opposed to moving on from him at the end of his contract. Filling two safety positions is not easy so I think we should wait it out, see what he does next season and then re-assess. Regardless, he may be a casualty of a movement to rid the team of bad attitudes
I think the only bust right now is Bowles and his minnie me DC. Between the two of them, they have managed to fuck the whole defense up, playing our best studs out of position, including Pryor, playing a comatose CB all year, turning Sheldon into some wanna be OLB, what a joke. Yet he gets to fuck us over again next year.
I don't see that all too much. Pryor has been primarily the strong safety ever since acquiring Marcus Gilchrist. He has regressed back to his rookie year form of taking bad angles and that's a bad characteristic regardless of the scheme. It's also frustrating seeing him in position to break up a play if he would just use his hands to attack the ball. He did this a bit last year and has regressed back to lowering his shoulder for the big hit. The first Patriots game in the completion down the middle comes to mind in this sense.
I see your concern. The poor angles are something that worries me too....but it's also something that is fixable. As far as scheme is concerned, I don't believe Bowles really ever puts players in a position to be successful, specifically the secondary. I saw a lot of Pryor over the top....where he generally struggles. Not that he shouldn't be expected to be able to play deep safety in Cover 1/2/3...., but I see him in the Chancellor mold where he plays more in the box and lines up with TE's and RB's man-to-man. He's not the only guy who hasn't been used well. Revis was mostly elite last season until he hurt his wrist, but he had been playing off coverage all year anyway. That was exposed this year. He doesn't play physical press coverage anymore and it's probably why he hasn't played well. One of his best attributes is his ability to knock people off their routes/slow them down/make them uncomfortable. Bowles scheme doesn't allow for that. It is very much a bend, don't break defense. That might have worked with athletic guys like Cro and Peterson, but it's not Revis's (or Williams') game. We have the guys to play aggressive man-to-man press coverage, but instead we have guys sit in zones and let receivers make catches all game. Our guys aren't athletic enough to sit on their heels and then turn and run with speedsters. I'm convinced the only reason the Cardinals played good defense under Bowles was the amount of talent they have on that side of the ball. The scheme isn't awful with the right players....we just don't have the right players....Pryor would benefit from being used correctly, as would the rest of the secondary. He has things he needs to improve on, but in no way is he a bust. He is very much capable of playing at a high level again. He was probably the best player in our secondary last season.
Dude needs to have another chat with his father. He needs to be humbled big-time. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk
He always seems to screw up and then try and overcompensate by knocking some dude into next week. His play is getting old. I say give him another year and then drop him if he doesn't improve.
Pryor is an enforcer in the box type of player. He's got 4.6 speed and that's just not free safety material. You have to be able to move a bit better than that or you're always screwed when you take your first misstep on an angle.
No coverage instincts, celebrates when he hits a guy after a 30 yard catch....think he has Brandon Marshall pea brain disease
That's true, and I think an alignment like that is very suitable to our strong interior pass rush, which is the hardest kind of rush for any QB to handle. We don't need rush DEs, we just need decent players who are very disciplined about setting the edge, players like Ninkovich who are probably not that expensive to find. Although 4-2-5 is still susceptible to run sets. Even when bringing a safety you still have a light box, because big TEs can usually manhandle the safety. I remember Eric Smith getting blocked by Gronk, who just took him on at the LOS and pushed him 20 yards straight down the field. Would Pryor have been able to do a better job at that? Maybe, I guess.
I remember the play and agree with your post...but there are a handful of smart guys...they're just the ones you never hear about..
Going back and reading this thread just goes to show how our fan base was already sick & tired of Calvin Pryor. And not long after our fan base became fed up, our GM in Maccagnan also quit on Pryor before A.) Drafting Jamal Adams during round one. B.) Drafting Marcus Maye during round two & C.) Unloading Pryor in a trade before training camp even began. One thing about our fan base is this. We may not see too much winning football. But when we see a player, playing losing football... we have no problem running him out of town. Within a New York minute too. This thread was created after our week 3 loss @ K.C by the score of 3-24. Even after Shitztragic tossed 6 INT's... Calvin Pryor's head was the main one in which this fan base wanted knocked off after Kelce put up 6 catches (5 1st down receptions) for 89 yards and 1 TD while making Pryor look like a fool at the same time. The writing was on the wall. Pryor was in no mans land. And our GM just settled the score in replace of Pryor with two badass SEC beast Safeties out of LSU & FLorida. All that "Louisville Slugger" could do was swing at bad angles while missing tackles. Swing & miss type of Safety.
Whether or not you think Pryor was a bust, you can't dispute the fact that he was entirely misused. His strength in college was always that he was a bruising hard hitter who could also blitz and get good pressure on the QB. The Jets drafted him and put him into coverage most of the time. He was never a guy who never covered well in college, and wasn't asked to cover much, because that wasn't his role. His failure here was likely as much a failure of coaching as a failure on Pryor's part. Hopefully he can succeed in Cleveland or somewhere else where the coaching staff can get the most of of his talents.
I give this trade a big thumbs up - the fact that Macagnan was able to get ANYTHING for Pryor is a positive. Don't be so sure the Jets want to cut Davis, this guy isn't a star, but he's an experienced pro who if I'm not mistaken finished second in tackles his last 2-years as a Jet. Davis is a great locker room guy with a high engine, he competes hard, could be used on special teams, and adds some depth to the LB position. I do think the Jets will ask him to reduce his contract number however. Welcome back home, Demario Davis. https://www.instagram.com/p/BUzMQnKh_DI/
It's very weird to see you regress to silly one-liners when talking about Davis. And then ignore legit responses that challenge them.
