To be clear, I'm not saying one way or the other that Rex did or didn't value OLB pass rushers. I'm only quoting what I remember reading in an article. I do remember his saying before the draft in which Brooks Reed was drafted that he'd like to have him, so that may not have been true. We may never know unless Rex addresses that issue specifically in the media.
Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypian, where all below average qb's in the league..... All won a Super Bowl..... So that kinda shoots that argument in the foot.....
Not sure whether to start this list the year Brett Favre won the Super Bowl or the year Peyton Manning was drafted, because honestly I don't know which of those two seasons was more important in terms of where the NFL is right now but I'll go '97 just to be sure. Year listed is the calendar year the Super Bowl was played in. 1997 - #1 Off, #1 Def 1998 - #1 Off, #6 Def 1999 - #2 Off, #8 Def 2000 - #1 Off, #4 Def 2001 - #14 Off, #1 Def 2002 - #6 Off, #6 Def 2003 - #18 Off, #1 Def 2004 - #12 Off, #1 Def 2005 - #4 Off, #2 Def 2006 - #9 Off, #3 Def 2007 - #2 Off, #23 Def 2008 - #14 Off, #17 Def 2009 - #20 Off, #1 Def 2010 - #1 Off, #20 Def 2011 - #10 Off, #2 Def 2012 - #9 Off, #25 Def 2013 - #10 Off, #12 Def 2014 - #8 Off, #1 Def 2015 - #4 Off, #8 Def 2016 - #19 Offense, #1 Def Prior to 2007 the Super Bowl was won by a top 4 or better defense 7 times in 10 years. The winner had a top 4 or better offense 5 times. In the decade since then the Super Bowl was won by a top 4 defense just 4 times. The winner had a top 4 offense just 3 times. So basically two things are true based on the last decade: The Giants have gotten ridiculously lucky in peaking at just the right time and winning without either of the things a SB champ usually has, a top offense or a top defense. Also, the general effect that having a great defense used to have on winning a Super Bowl is just not as pronounced as it used to be. From 1997 to 2006 every team that won a Super Bowl had a top 8 defense or better. From 2007 to 2016 only 5 teams had a top 8 defense. So, no, the Jets should not neglect the offense to build a great defense. Having a great defense is still a real strength, but teams do not win Super Bowls based on having a great defense most of the time. If they do win a Super Bowl due to having a great defense it is generally because the opposing offense has holes that can be exploited, like the Panthers porous offensive line and ball-dropping WR's this year. The Broncos committed a ton of unforced errors against the Seahawks in 2014 and got blown out as a result. That matchup was favorable for the Seahawks for a lot of reasons but having the Broncos come out and play an unfocused game early on really set the tone and the rout was on.
The whole get an elite edge rusher thing has been something every team in the league has been trying to do since LT came into the league. We tried to turn Coples into that player. Go back and look at all the hybrid DE/OLB type players that are drafted every year. With the exception of Justin Houston (who fell because of off the field problems) and maybe one or two others you need to use a first round pick to acquire those guys. It's not a secret, it's just so hard to find them and especially to find those types of players that aren't a liability against the run like a Bruce Irvin of the Seahawks is. Not that he's anything near what Miller is but he was highly coveted because teams thought he could be. I posted a thread trying to analyze sack numbers and edge rushers a month ago and now realize how painfully obvious it is without research needed.
I almost wonder if the Jets trade Mo and try to get a 1st round pick included back. Using both picks to draft a Noah Spence and someone like Jaylon Smith or even Leonard Floyd. Get 2 OLB's and fill that hole.
Explains why 80 percent of people were picking Carolina then? And favorably. Not many people thought that "number 1 ranked defense" was going to dominate Newton. Now everyone is a Monday morning QB I know what I watched this season and it doesn't matter too much what the rankings tell me.
I can't compare the game today to anything prior to like 2005. It just isn't the same game. Obviously you see both the good offense and good defense to win. All those years between Super Bowl wins for New England because they didn't have the type of defense that they had during their 3 in 4 years run, while also having the best QB is history, so I know it goes both ways. But no one was saying prior to this game that "Denver is going to win because of their defense"..at most they said their defense can keep it close. Doesn't exactly scream out what I heard prior to past Superbowls where a top defense was involved. More people thought the panthers defense would dominate. Which they kinda did anyways.
Mo Wilkerson #1 draft pick Shel Richardson #1 Leonard Williams #1 Darrell Revis #1 Antonio Cromartie #1 Calvin Pace #1 Calvin Pryor #1 David Harris #2 Marcus Gilchrist #2 Here's a defense with 9 of 11 players #1 or #2 picks. You would think that this should be the greatest defense of all time. Is it?
I don't think Noah Spence / Jaylon Smith will be there at 20. Their respective stocks are already high. Even so, the first round pick you'll receive for Mo, will be a very late first round pick and those players will more than likely be off the board.
Finding a good edge rusher is just as hard as finding a franchise QB IMO. Also, I really don't get what's so great about Bruce Irvin. He's an average pass-rusher at best.
Bruce Irvin won't turn our defense from, "this defense is serious" scary to "oh fuck how do we game-plan against this defense" scary. Let Jacksonville or Atlanta overpay for his services.
That doesn't mean franchise him. Give him a cap friendly multi-year deal. Franchising him not only makes zero cap sense it has 0% chance of occurring.
There is beyond statistical proof that either an elite defense OR an elite offense supported by an average other side of the ball wins rings. Also, what does it matter what people were saying prior to the game about Denver. Let's talk about what happened.
0 percent? Disagree. Im not saying its gonna happen , just saying its a possibility. If Osweiler hits the open market he will get a favorable deal somewhere from a QB-needy team just based on potential alone.
Im all for talking about what happened. But now Im seeing opinions on the Denver D that were never stated prior to the game. Not saying from you specifically , just in general. Everyone wants to call Denver's D an alltime great now..when before the game they werent even calling them the best one of the field.
