Build the D

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  1. TurkJetFan

    TurkJetFan Well-Known Member

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    the jets are on the brink of having something very similar except in all honesty our offense is better than denvers. I will be glued to this offseason.
     
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    TurkJetFan Well-Known Member

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    So why not go ahead and find another team?
     
  3. TurkJetFan

    TurkJetFan Well-Known Member

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    Would be great but never going to happen. I think the point is we need someone LIKE Von Miller on this team, to reach the next level. Pass rusher should be a top priority this offseason (for the 10th year in a row).
     
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  4. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Posters have a right to post their opinions without fear of the ban hammer just because some posters don't like those opinions. Some posters/fans like offensive football more than defensive. Others like the opposite. Still others want and expect a balanced team. Yes, one should seek to add missing pieces that can make a very good unit a dominant one, but not to the exclusion of the other side of the ball.

    Superbowls aren't won with just dominant DLs unless that team is playing a 4-3 and rarely blitzes, but rather with dominant pass rushes.

    I think we're more than 1-2 players away. By my count the Jets are at least 3 and possibly 5-6 players away. Mauldin hasn't proven to be a quality pass-rushing OLB yet. I love the kid, but he has a ways to go. The Jets need at least one more OLB who's a stud pass rusher, and possibly 2. They need at least one ILB with speed and who can cover backs and TEs over the middle. Two would be better. Henderson and Harris aren't cutting it in that regard. Revis is on his last legs. With the cap shape the Jets are in, the upcoming season could very well be Revis' last with the team. This past season should have been Cro's last, so the Jets need at least one quality starting CB and maybe 2. Gilchrist is a nice player, but he isn't all that at FS. Denver has the best secondary, or certainly the best CBs to go along with a dominant pass rush and a great DL.

    A dominant DL and pass rushing OLBs can definitely hamper, if not shut down a franchise QB, but look at how many big games Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Roethlisberger and others have won facing supposedly dominant Ds.
     
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  5. LAJet

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    I agree with the importance of having a strong D with speed and strength particularly at the LB position. But just as crucial is the need for the coaching staff to develop a game plan than neutralizes the competition strengths and put key defensive players in a position to excell. The panthers were out coached, plain and simple. Our defensive game planning, with all our players strengths still left a lot to be desired when we needed them most.
     
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    If we can retain our FA's we'd be a rusher, a sideline to sideline linebacker and a corner away from a SB caliber defense, and our offense is much better than Denver's. We're a wee bit strapped for cash though and we can't completely ignore the offense, with holes along the line and at TE and running back. Let's see what Mac pulls off.
     
  7. Jetaho

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    Seeing what Ware and Miller did to Brady and Newton made me understand that our lack of a consistent pass rush off the edge is holding our D back in a big way.
     
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  8. 101GangGreen101

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    Hopefully Noah Spence falls to the Jets. Then we could have a pair of good edge rushers in Spence / Mauldin to add to our interior pass-rushers.

    Von Miller is going to be an all-time great though, tough to try and replicate that Broncos defense. Good linebackers that can cover also.
     
  9. westiedog1

    westiedog1 Well-Known Member

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    Defense won this game, but you have to get to the game to win it, and that requires offense. Lets's look at the last two dominant defensive teams that won SB's: 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs. In the following seven years after their 2000 win, the Ravens made the playoffs only 3 times winning one playoff game. Since the Bucs won in 2002 to present, they have only made the playoffs twice with zero playoff wins. Contrast with the Favre led Packers '92-'07, 16 years, 11 playoff appearances; or the Brady led Pats, 14 years, 13 playoff appearances. When you have good QBing, you win football games. It doesn't guarantee you'll win one game, but your chances of getting to a championship are greater with good offense.
     
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  10. TurkJetFan

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    I don't think anyone is saying you don't need an offense, of course you do. But facts show you do not have a better chance with an elite offense than with an elite defense. That is just factual.

    And if you look at recent years in this 'elite offenses are required' era, the winners actually have elite defenses.
     
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    westiedog1 Well-Known Member

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    Okay, what are the facts? I just gave you some facts to back up my argument. Where are yours?
     
  12. NCJetsfan

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    Spot on. Defense is important, but I don't think the old maxim that "defense wins championships" is as true as it once was. Give me a great QB over a great defense any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Look at how many times Peyton Manning carried teams with bad defenses into the playoffs.
     
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    So just so I understand you better you're saying that the 2013 Seahawks weren't considered a great defense? The Super Bowl wasn't touted as a great offence playing against a great defense? You're saying the story that after watching his Broncos get absolutely destroyed by the Seahawks D that John Elway pointed to the Hawks D and said "I want that"... you're saying that didn't happen or you're saying that Elway doesn't know what he's doing? I also don't understand why you don't include the '09 Steelers in your list. Looking at the past Super Bowl winners it seems you either need a top qb or a top d or be the Giants. What do you think is more likely to happen in the next 5 years, the Jets get a top qb or them build a top D?
     
  14. Ozymandias

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    Did you see Von run all the way down the field covering Cotchery? Linebackers who can match receivers step for step, I can't relate.

    He is special.
     
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    He will be franchise tagged. I would hold out if I were him.he deserves in the 17-19M per yr range.
     
  16. BrowningNagle

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    There are many different ways to win it. I always get a kick out of the days and weeks following the SB as fans and experts alike point to the SB winning team as the one, or only model, for winning the SB. That's not the case. There are many different ways to get it done.
     
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  17. TurkJetFan

    TurkJetFan Well-Known Member

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    Here you go

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-new...-defense-wins-championships-49ers-stats-picks

    This doesn't even take into account 12 - 15 whih even further supports the point.

    "In today’s era of high-scoring offenses and prolific passing attacks, we wondered if an old NFL axiom holds true: Does defense still win championships?

    So we asked SportsData to look up statistical rankings of recent Super Bowl champions. What it found suggests if a team is elite on one side of the ball, it can get away with being mediocre (or worse) on the other side and still take home the Lombardi Trophy."

    Statistical support within the article...The answer, supported by statistical proof is to win the SB you must be elite on one side of the ball. Either offense or defense. Which in turn proves an ELITE OFFENSE is not a requirement. With that elite unit you can win with a good to even average other side of the ball.

    If you want to take the team that won the SB as of yesterday:
    2015 Offensive Ranking: 16
    2015 Defensive Ranking: 1

    Or how about 2014 (SEA):
    Offensive Ranking: 9
    Defensive Ranking: 1

    Funny how the team to win the last 2 years had the #1 ranked defense with an average to slightly above average offense. The rest of the debate is baseless speculation and proven above to be misconception. You do NOT need an elite offense to win the SB at all. Although you certainly can and can pair it with an average defense.

    Does defense win championships? Sure it does. When it's an elite unit it sure can.
    Just the same as an elite offense can.

    The answer is it doesn't HAVE to be offense. This is proven in black and white print. And this misconception has been created by the obsession with offense around the league and all the air time QBs get. Plain and simple.
     
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    I haven't been on the board much since my semester started, has anyone suggested Aldon Smith? He's only 26 and obviously has a world of talent. He could come cheap because of all the suspensions and fear around the league (he only made $1.25 mil this year), an incentive-laden deal based on being active for gamedays could be something to look into.
     
  19. TurkJetFan

    TurkJetFan Well-Known Member

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    Isn't he on the Raiders or was he cut? or maybe a 1 year deal.

    if hes available I'd be for it.
     
  20. Big Cat

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    They signed him to a 1 year deal so I'm pretty sure he's a free agent
     

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