Burrow was a pedestrian QB in College at the same age Zach is right now. He took a big leap forward around the same age Zach will be later this year. Let's see what happens to Zach - I think we will see a much better player this year. As far as the Bengals, what I take away from this is that having a great QB and great weapons is very important. Perhaps even a great WR is more important than a great OL (Chase over Sewel), but I still think OLIne is critical. It was the difference in the last SB. We can't look at Bengals and say, well they made play-offs without great OLine, forgetting past SB winners, including last year's one. Burrow made it to SB, perhaps getting luckily not to get seriously injured again in the process. Yes, weapons are definitely a must, even for a great QB, but a good OLine is very important - as well not having the worst defense in the League.
This is the same argument that was used for Darnold dude. He’s only 22 this year!!! You can’t really use the age thing in any sort of comparison when the ages don’t line up with their entry into the big leagues. I don’t want to build it like the Bengals, but I do think we need to consistently add playmakers to the offense. The Bengals are a very strange example to a certain extent with how bad their offensive line has been. They’ve gotten a herculean effort from their defense to keep them in both games and really had no business beating either team. Mahomes had the worst half of his career and Tannehill had the worst game of his career. The defense played a part in that, but poor game management for the Chiefs and two horrible turnovers for the Titans helped them out a ton. Bottom line is we need to add good football players all over the field and achieve balance. I think a lot of us (myself especially) are just sick of the archaic Jets building strategy. I want to see some fucking points and injuries or not, I’m so tired of seeing receivers I’ve never heard of like D.J. Montgomery pop into games.
there were a subpopulation pof Jet fans that santed to keep same and draft sewell omfg wheres the acme pianos when you need em? https://dribbble.com/shots/1515640-...nt=Acme Falling Piano&utm_medium=Social_Share
We are in agreement here. We need top WRs, which is why I was suggesting to BOTH be aggressive in free agency for a WR and TE and also draft someone like Burks with #10. What Bengals did this year was because Burrow is a top 5 QB in the League now and he has elite weapons, which is what the Jets need to get. But OLine is important also and cannot be ignored either. Burrow was lucky to make it to AFC Championship game standing. Last year he wasn't so lucky and suffered a brutal injury. And if OLine is bad for them next year, he might suffer one again, and that could impact his entire career. I feel you need both OLine and weapons, even though elite WR, like Chase, may be more valuable than elite T like Sewel. As far as Zach, what I was saying is that he might still become elite. Sam didn't, but Zach still has a chance. I pointed out Burrow took some time as well to become a player he is now. I don't know if Zach can take a leap next year, but with good weapons and Oline we can actually find out.
Burrow became an elite player his second year in the league. Due to the longevity that the position can sustain because of the rules protecting them, their age is relatively irrelevant. Burrow took time to develop in college. Wilson doesn’t get that development time back as he’s in the pros at the same time Burrow was still in college. It’s different manzo calrissian. That’s what I was getting at.
I still think age matters. Your learning capacity is much higher until about 25. Zach can develop and improve drastically in NFL at the same age Joe leaped in last year of College. Jets just need to give him an opportunity to take that leap forward by having better receivers than Black and Montgomery, and sadly what has become of Mims.
Not sure Burrow was pedestrian in College.. he did win the Heisman and a National championship… I’m not saying ignore the OL I’m saying don’t use premium picks on the OL and for god sake don’t trade up for OL or DL in my opinion. I find there are marginal differences from first round linemen to 4th/5th round linemen where at the WR position a first rounder to a 4th rounder is huge. Use our draft capital wiser especially our first 4 picks this year. WR/Edge/Corner/linebacker should be our first 4 picks. Anything other than that is a waste.
I wouldn't even call it a subpopulation, I think taking Sewell over Chase was the consensus opinion among Jets fans. Some of those same people are now advocating for taking an OT at 4 this year.
Totally agree with the bold, though I'd say it's more like the difference between 1st round OL and 3rd round OL isn't huge. I just don't understand how people can watch the modern game and not realize how much more an explosive WR does for your team than a solid OT. You need to score more points than the other team to win. Having a guy who can take a 5 yard pass for a 60 yard TD is insanely beneficial. Not only that, but you need multiple guys who can do that to compete with the best teams in the league. I understand you don't want your QB getting lit up but you can work around a bad OL with the proper scheme and playmakers. A good OL is not going to turn Corey Davis into Ja'Marr Chase.
I couldn’t agree more. Plus we have taken a OL every year under JD in the first! So it’s not like we ignored the position. He could of had Creed Humphrey in the second round and kept 2 3rd round picks to fill out more of our roster instead of moving up for AVT. That move alone is just insane to do when you have a team that needs a lot of starters.
Lets not forget Darnold regressed each year in college Zach progressed. Let's hope that trend continues.
When he was 23. At 22, age Zach is now, he just transferred from Ohio State and had a very average year for LSU to the point where no one even knew his name. He busted out later as I pointed out.
How did that work out? Edit: I counted a couple of more https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/draft.htm
I actually thought Chase was the right pick for them, but there is no Chase in this draft. I think people want OT at 4, because Ike can help Zach more than other players available. The point is that taking Sewell is not a mistake in itself - passing on Chase would have been. And Chase, like I pointed out, is not available.
Is it really that likely an OT taken at 4 would be that much better than Fant at LT or Becton at RT? I don't think so, and we can get a much better RG than GVR in FA or in the 2nd or 3rd round.
I think so. I think Ike is a better prospect than Becton was and he will be better than Fant too. I am rooting for Becton but we need some assurances we have good RT and LT next year, and Becton/Fant combo doesn't do it for me. I am surprised you have confidence in him after he was out entire year on the injury that should have taken a lot less, was out of shape and injured two other times in training camp as well, plus didn't really play well in training camp either. To me this is the year where Becton has to prove himself. I need to see Becton come in shape and stay injury free before having this confidence. Until then I think we need a really good other tackle as matter of necessity, not luxury. Ike provides that. And in absolute best case scenario where Fant is great, and Becton becomes a force, and no one is injured, we still upgraded OLine with Ike as RG, and he can play RT next year when Fant will demand huge contract. I have my doubts though that best case scenario will transpire and therefore feel we need another good tackle next year as a key piece.
