Amidst all his other faults and failures, perhaps the worst thing that occurred under Herm's watch was the deterioration of the OL. Why for example did they let McKenzie go? Other than bringing in Kendall, about the only positive roster move of substance made in the entire five years, and he fell into their lap, they didn't do shit other than allow its decline. When Herm got here the Jet OL was quality. When he left it sucked so bad that very year the Jets had to take two first round picks to merely make it competitive.
The revolt that would ensue from children world-wide would be enormous for at least 2 weeks. Which is about how long it would take for him to be completely flushed from the collective memory. It could work.
Sesame Street could watch the message boards to see who they should hire as the HC of 'Elmo's World'. Only stipulation is that they have to accept Oscar The Grouch as their OC.
Who would have thought this would be the high point of Herm's tenure? http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/b/b6/Herm2.jpg
i thought i was going to have to freak out on somebody AGAIN,then i realized this thread is old and i have probably already freaked out on the guy.
Why can't we have a poll on whether Herm will ever get another NFL coaching job - assistant or otherwise? I wonder if this is it for him.
This thread is like going into a N.A. meeting and throwing an ounce of pure cocaine on the table and yelling..manja!! Walking into a A.A. meeting with a keg of beer and frosted mugs. Posters should realize that many of us have still not gotten over the Herm Factor...many of us are still in recovery. If this post was meant as a joke...its not funny....my name is Jay B....and Im taking it still...one day at a time.
I keep seeing people on this board attacking Herm Edwards for allowing the OL to fall apart, so I decided to google the signing of Kareem MacKenzie by the Giants. I agree that Kareem MacKenzie?s departure was a terrible thing for the Jets. However, the Jets didn?t ?let him go,? as some posters have claimed in this thread. The Jets tried hard to sign him but the guy just wanted out. For whatever reasons, this guy did NOT want to play for Gang Green. So, according to the logic I've seen from certain posters in this thread, if Herm Edwards is a worm because he didn't want to coach the Jets anymore, what does that make Kareem MacKenzie, who clearly did not want to play for ther Jets and wanted to play for Tom Coughin and the Giants instead? From an ESPN story: "The Jets had attempted to sign McKenzie, one of their top players, to a contract extension during the 2004 season. He rebuffed their overtures, however, and opted to test the free agent market. Once McKenzie got onto the open market, Jets officials conceded that he likely would sign with another team." From the New York Times: "McKenzie's contract is worth $37.75 million, with a $12.5 million signing bonus. The $18 million through the first three years is believed to be the richest contract for a right tackle in the N.F.L. ?McKenzie's agent, Kevin D. Poston, said the Giants were McKenzie's first and only free-agent visit. Although several teams expressed interest, the 6-foot-6, 327-pound McKenzie did not feel the need to negotiate with them after meeting with the Giants. ''I don't think you can find a better situation in the N.F.L. as far as my fit with the team,'' he said in a conference call with reporters. ''Why go someplace else and visit other places if this is the right fit for you?'' McKenzie said that several factors drove his decision, including the team's proximity to his native Willingboro, N.J., and the presence of quarterback Eli Manning. Despite the Giants' 6-10 record last season, McKenzie said he saw his new team as being on the rise. ''They have some key talent here that if you look at it, they're a few pieces away from going ahead and being in the playoffs once again,'' he said." So maybe Kareem MacKenzie didn't think the Jets could win with Pennington at QB. Or maybe he didn't like Herm Edwards. Maybe he just wanted to play for the higher-profile Giants. But whatever, let's retire this "The Jets let Kareem MacKenzie go" refrain. Because it's just plain wrong.
Actually, the Jets let a lot of good linemen walk away. McKenzie was only one of them. You also have Randy Thomas and Mawae just to name the all pros that walked. I am sure there were others too.
If he's not at fault for letting OL walk from the team, he's certainly at fault for not replacing them adequately.
I am defending Herm Edwards here, just in case you didn't notice... Mangini was named head coach of the New York Jets on January 17, 2006. Kevin Mawae was cut by the New York Jets on March 5, 2006... But maybe that was somehow Herm Edwards fault. Seems like everything was his fault.
The Jets wanted to keep Randy Thomas, but could not afford to pay him the kind of money that the Washington Redskins threw at him. When you check the stories I am posting, you?ll see phrases like: ?The highest paid ? of all time.? As I remember it, the Redskins threw so much money at Jets players that year there was no way for the Jets to compete with them. ----- New York Times January 15, 2003 The Jets, who looked like frantic Christmas Eve shoppers scooping up defensive free agents last year, will not be quite as busy, although they are expected to have some wiggle room under the projected $74 million salary cap. Their top priorities will most likely be trying to retain the free-agent guard Randy Thomas, a Pro Bowl alternate, and working on a long-term deal for receiver Laveranues Coles, a restricted free agent. The offensive line struggled during the first half of the season after losing guard Kerry Jenkins to free agency and tackle Ryan Young to the expansion draft. But the Jets committed a lot of money to re-signing center Kevin Mawae and left tackle Jason Fabini and may be reluctant to spend more on another lineman. Thomas may be attractive to Bill Parcells and the Dallas Cowboys, too. Parcells, who shares an agent with Thomas, drafted Thomas and immediately made him a starter for the Jets in 1999. Thomas said he was excited by his first opportunity to test free agency, although he added he wanted to stay with the Jets. ''Randy's going to have options,'' Bradway said. ''Hopefully, it will be best for both situations for him to stay here. But we're going to make an offer to these people. In the past, we have and some guys have left and some guys have stayed. But our goal is to try to keep this team together as much as possible.'' ? The Jets will keep Sam Cowart, the jewel of last year's shopping spree, although they might try to renegotiate his contract. Under the six-year deal Cowart signed last spring, he is due a bonus of $3.5 million by March 1. ?Place-kicker John Hall is also a free agent. ----- New York Times Published: March 2, 2003 In only a matter of hours, free agency has potentially created havoc with a Jets offense that needed almost all of last season to figure out its running game. On Friday, the Jets lost their highly regarded anchor at right guard, Randy Thomas, who signed with the Redskins, and then learned their long-time fullback, Richie Anderson, was negotiating to rejoin either Bill Belichick in New England or Bill Parcells in Dallas. It could be difficult for the Jets to replace the two starters with players of similar skills. Thomas, 27, who had been at his post for four seasons, was praised for his run-blocking and his pass protection. He received a $7 million signing bonus from the Redskins. His $28 million contract makes him one of the highest-paid guards in N.F.L. history. Behind him on the Jets is the untested second-year player Jonathan Goodwin. Anderson, a 31-year-old former Pro Bowl player, has been a solid locker-room presence, an adviser to young players, and a good blocker and receiver. He carried only five times last season, but caught 45 passes. Jerald Sowell, who had one carry and no receptions last season, was his backup. ----- My point is that you can?t blame everything that happened to that OL on Herm Edwards. As I have just demonstrated through FACTS (often missing from this message board), the Jets, under Herm Edwards, did not DUMP great OL players like MacKenzie, Mawae and Thomas? Most of what happened to that team was what happens to many NFL teams thanks to the salary cap. That said, despite all this stuff Herm still got the Jets into the playoffs. I think Bradway was the idiot. I sincerely doubt that Herm Edwards clapped his hands and cheered when he learned that Woody Johnson and Terry Bradway could not pay the bills to keep his team intact.
Thanks for that, because I thought it might be worth mentioning that you don't see the sniping at Edwards, after he left, by former players, coaching and front office people that you see at Mangini now that he is gone. Edwards was a great motivator... And loved by people who worked with him. Look, I am not insane. I don't want him back as HC! I just wish more of you posters would examine the facts once in a while and give the man his due.
Herm wasn't an awful coach. Yeah, his time management was beyond awful, and I have no idea why he told Chad to take a knee instead of take a second and spike the ball, but he was one of two John Hall FG attempts away from taking the team as far as they'd gone in 40 years. He was a coach who the players liked, and led a great secondary in Tampa. If Rex is comfortable with him as DB coach, why the fuck not?
Funny you should say that. The plague is back, and al-Queda has got it bad... too much of that good cave living. As for the Herminator, he sucks and he's done as a coach.
