Your basing Darnold's performance so far on meaningless preseason games and vanilla defenses. Yes the Jets used vanilla offenses but they kept Darnold from throwing bombs down field...( and now the reason for that is plain to see) Case in point to look forward to: Watch the Jets/Lions game. Lions scouting report states that they have a VERY weak pass rush. If the Jets OL can't protect Sam against this bunch....oooooboy.
If you think at least 2 years experience in the NFL vs NO YEARS experience means nothing, then yes my logic is flawed. But sorry to burst your NFL knowledge bubble: experience, ESPECIALLY at QB is what determines who escapes injuries better than those that can't. And if you feel it important to throw a 20yo QB like Darnold into the frying pan, with no experience , a lousy OL, and a bunch of 6.2" 290 lb behemoths yearning to chew him up and spit him out, without having some way of testing the OL , your logic is flawed. EDIT: Seriously dude, you have not giving me one good argument as why you think Darnold is not going to get clobbered facing teams like the Browns or Broncos or Vikings or even the Bears. I'm through responding to your bullshit inane arguments, when all that matters is what I see on the field. Apparently you must be watching another team. I'm through with you have it your way.
If you think 2 years of not playing football period plays absolutely no role whatsoever in how Bridgewater will perform behind a line, I don't know what to tell you. Your logical is all over the place. You don't want Sam to start behind that line, but you think Teddy would be able to step in and raise his trade value. You talk about how people are evaluating Sam based off three preseason game playing in a vanilla offense... but also think Teddy is right back to form after playing in three preseason games in a vanilla offense against barely any starters. Who is arguing that this OL is poor? Not me. I think they are average at best. You're also not even taking into considering that Sam was playing behind two backups during the Giants game which is when he looked the most pressured. Qvale isn't an LT, he's not even a backup, but he was going against the Giants starting front line which is pretty good. All I want you to do is connect your dots and stop acting like you can throw out random points with more holes than swiss cheese and everyone will accept them as fact.
I think you are way overrating teddys value. is he a better QB then those 2? yup and those 2 will likely net a 5th round or later or conditional pick. nobody is getting a 3rd for either but still teams having 3 options lowers all 3 values. Teddy was still at his best a average QB/game manager type. he wasn't out winning games but he was solid enough to to lose games either. Teddy has started 2 years in the NFL and never threw for 3300 yards or more, never threw more then 14TDs and his career TD to INT ration is 28-22 so not great. he's also fumbled 8 times so has more turnovers then TDs in his career. his career Qb rating is 86.3 aka average On top of that he's still an injury risk. he hasn't played a meaningful snap in the NFL since 2015. he missed 2 whole seasons due to a horrific knee injury in which he almost lost his leg. He played in 1 game last season in garbage time in which he attempted 2 passes and completed none and 1 was picked off. He hasn't completed a pass in the NFL since 2015. Mike glennon is at least healthy and played last year and isn't as much of a risk as teddy is. In short, jet fans have completely overrated teddy
... but its not common sense at all. Your inhibiting Sam's development because your scared of what may happen. This is exactly how not to run a football team. Our line is not a strength, but its up to Bates to scheme around it with extra protection, quick throws and the running game. You don't trot out a sub par roster to protect someone. This is not a collectable you keep in the box so it stays shiny. Sam needs to learn and given his personality facing a bit of a tough year will only help him.
You may be underrating TB, lol - I'll take a QB the 1st 2 years in the NFL with those stats, any freaking day in the week, You don't get too many QB's that will even accomplish that type of efficiency in 4 years. I also wouldn't assume he's going to get injured. No one knows that.
People are divided on it. That's what message boards are for. Similar to @KurtTheJetsFan's post. I think both sides of the fence have merit.
I am fine with us getting a 3rd round pick for Teddy. For the life of me I can’t fathom us giving the Saints anything else. Perhaps we should have played poker, and seen if his value increased. If not a one year 6 million was a good deal.
A definite possibility but I believe there will be some guys cut elsewhere who will be better for the task than him in the next week or two. I see him as a ten day wonder.
But the perceived value of Teddy was not as a backup but a viable starter for a team that needs a starter. Having clear NFL backups as trade options doesn’t drop Teddy’s value if he is seen as a starter.
efficient is a good term for teddy, but efficient QBs arne't worth huge picks. Stud Qbs are. Josh Mccown had betetr stats last year then teddy ever did in a season despite missing 3 games. better completion %, more TDs, less INTs, better QBR. That should show you how medicore teddys numbers are. the only reason he had any value is his age. If mccown was 10 years younger he would be worth more then teddy at this point. Tyrod taylors last 3 years in buffalo were better then any years teddy had as well and the bills still let him walk and drafted a QB so if the bills didn't think taylor was good enough why would teddy be so highly coveted? the reason is he wasn't. Jet fans overrated him. it's a nice story, he's a good kid, but he's a game manager QB at best and an injury risk
perceived value exactly. what fans perceive and what NFL GMs perceive are 2 different stories. it's not like the jets phones were blowing up from GMs wanting teddy. No team in the NFL right now is looking for a starter nor has the money to pay a good starting QB really save for a couple of teams. Clearly nobody in the NFL sees teddy as a starter right now and that wasn't changing before the trade deadline. maybe next offseason? maybe he'll be a career back-up who knows but in no way was he worth what us fans wanted him to be worth in hindsight
Basing what on Darnold’s performance?His ability to start week 1?Well i mean doesnt every single rookie QB start off against vanillla defenses at some point?And didnt he also routinely play behind back up OL who are worse than the supposed worst starting 5 OL in nfl history as we’re being made to believe? Darnold has things to work on..no doubt.But he showed grasp of the offense,commanded the offense,displayed ability to make big plays & never made the same mistake twice. The things he has to work on arent going to be achieved sitting on the bench..he needs to play. The only way im buying this argument is if the Jets OL is poised to be historically bad.And im sorry..this is a veteran unit returning 4/5 starters.They are from from great but they arent protecting jim Harbaugh at the RCA dome in 1996 either
That's your opinion. IMO it IS common sense. It's not inhibiting Sam's development. That's ridiculous. If he gets injured and misses half the season THAT would inhibit his development. Spare me the hyperbole. It's not "trotting out a subpar roster." It's simply not starting the rookie day one. Give the OL a few games to gel and then starting him. If Darnold was a 25 year-old rookie, then you might have some merit as you want to get someone that age on the field as soon as possible, but Darnold is only 20 or 21 at most. Sitting for 3-4 games his rookie season is not going to hurt him one iota. What I'm seeing here is just impatience and excitement pure and simple. I understand it's exciting to think about the future with Darnold and we want to see what he can do, but I want him here for the next 15 years or more, not much less than that because he suffered a major injury in the first 3 games of his rookie season all because the owner, fans and HC were too impatient and let their excitement overwhelm their better judgment and common sense.
Its not uncommon in today’s nfl for OL’s to start the season needing to still gel.Theres alot of teams that dont start the same starting 5 twice in preseason. Further whats the point of the OL gelling in front of Mccown when Darnold is an entirely different style of QB w unique pocket presence/movement?If we want the OL to gel for Darnold’s benefit..then we need to play Darnold..thats the best & only way to build the type of cohesion you’re referring to
You don't compare them to Teddy, you compare them to Wolford, who right now, is our 3rd QB option. I'd rather have either Dobbs or Glennon in that position. In fact, they might even be better backups than McCown.
I don’t think there is evidence that GM’s don’t see him as a starter; with no QB injuries in the preseason there weren’t any teams that needed a starter. All it shows is that every NFL GM was content with their existing starter rather than what the cost would be to trade for Teddy to be their starter.
Josh McCown is 23 and 50 as a starting QB. Teddy is 17 and 11 in 28 game starts. Mccown has never had a 3000 yard season. If you think Tyrod Taylor is better than TB you have completely lost your mind. Taylor had 19 completions in his first 4 years in the NFL. He went to Buffalo who had a great running game and was run out of town. He's a placeholder on a team that has 1 win in 2 years. NO is one of the best managed teams in the NFL. There's a reason they picked up Teddy to take over for their HOF QB. Teddy had a 500 record in 12 starts on a losing MN team in his rookie season. He took them to the playoffs the following year and in miserable conditions set them up for a chip shot winning FG against Seattle. Teddy has done more in 2 years than Taylor or Mccown in 24 season combined. Taylor in near perfect conditions in his one playoff game put up a QBR of 42.5. TB put up an 86.5 QBR in -25 Wind Chill conditions.
AND nobody knows who's been calling Mac or who was about to call Mac. Teddy, IF healthy (big if) is better than some of the starting QBs in the league. And might be better than a lot of them.
