Exactly. If we brought in Hoyer in the offseason my expectations for the team (and faith) would immediately jump. _
Who would the comparable QBs be? Not the Moores or Campbell's or Gradkowskis or Hennes or Hills or Jacksons of the world. Nobody knows what Mallet is. He's probably going to be the best under 30 QB that could be available next year. He could be our stater for the next 6 years or so. Going to watch him a little closer the rest of the year. _
Granted I don't know what the free agent options are and draft picks are obviously question marks, but I don't think Hoyer is really anything special. Best case scenario to me, Brian Hoyer is Jeff Garcia. I'm not sure you go out and get someone in hopes that he can be a 30 year old Jeff Garcia, which isn't a guarantee. If you remember another Browns QB Derek Anderson in 2007, not everyone who has a good year is a good QB. I'll take my chances with the draft and hope we hit on a guy (if we are really going to give up on Geno).
Hoyer w/ Decker, Harvin, Amaro, Kerley with Ivory running the rock would be a nice offense for the Jets. Then we can focus on the offensive line and looking at a receiver. This off-season, they should look to offer Hoyer, a nice 2-3 yr deal - tell him he gets to play Brady twice a yr. If you draft Mariota / Winston (which I hope they do not) - they at least they can have him sit on the bench and develop.
My first choice is Mariota but I don't think we'll be in a position to draft him. If we're top 5 I'd move heaven and earth to get him. But I figure we'll be in the 10 range and that'll be too steep for Idzik. But if your going to say there are comparable QBs out there for better value, you gotta say who the are. I think Hoyer is a VERY good and smart QB, put him on this team right now and we're a playoff team. He gives you a youngish somewhat established guy to build around. I'd take a 30 year old Garcia on this team right now and I think Hoyer is better than Anderson. _
Like I said, I don't know if I'd give up on Geno and my next choice would be drafting somebody. As far as looking for better value for guys in the league, I think either of the Rams QBs (Davis or Bradford) would be decent options at a lower price. Hoyer is going to be the hottest guy possibly on the market and I'm not sure he's worth it. I think the disagreement is coming over our opinions of Hoyer. I'm not sold on him at all yet, and I don't think an unproven aging QB is someone you build around. He's a stop-gap at best, if it does turn out that this season is indicative of him as a player.
Hoyer could be had for just money and cap space if the Browns really decide to let him walk. Hoyer plus the Jets 1st next year is likely a better deal than Manziel for the Jets 1st next year. The question is whether he can be had for a reasonable contract or if somebody will bid him up high in free agency. If he's a $6-8M a year guy with most of the impact upfront he's probably a good buy for a team with no clear QB moving forward. If he gets bid up to normal starting QB numbers, well that's a problem and the Jets probably shouldn't jump on that bandwagon at this point. The Neil O'Donnell deal was a bad deal because the Jets were paying Neil O'Donnell like he was Brett Favre. Can't do that even if you have a hole at QB. The Browns have the cap space to re-sign Hoyer at $10M+ and play him for two more years while Manziel develops. That's probably the smart move for them. Let Hoyer play and Manziel grow up and adjust to the NFL and then make the switch when Hoyer is 31 or 32.
I love the idea of signing a veteran QB whether it be Hoyer, Stanton, Bradford or whomever and letting the veteran play for 2-3 years while we develop a young QB on the bench. I love the idea of a young QB sitting and learning rather than being thrown into the water to sink or swim. Generally that results in sinking. Although in today's bipolar only today matters NFL I doubt many teams will have the patience to let a young QB to sit on the bench and learn for 2-3 years like Rodgers and Pennington did. For a young QB to succeed he either needs an exceptional team or to be exceptionally well developed. Better to sit that young QB and let them learn from a veteran.
It wouldn't even be a bad thing if Geno was the young QB on the bench for the first year or two while his contract is cheap. If the Jets don't get the vibe that Geno is going to develop into a good QB then moving on is a good thing but it's not like they're forced to draft a young QB if they bring somebody like Hoyer or Bradford on board. They have options, all assuming that a good veteran option also becomes available next year. I don't think the Browns are going to let Hoyer go at a contract number that makes sense for the Jets. Bradford has a better chance of hitting the market as a cap cut because he has a huge cap number next season and he's been hurt over and over again and Jeff Fisher is probably going to get fired at the end of the season.
Look at the dog shit Hoyer is throwing to right now and the success they are having. Imagine Hoyer throwing to Amari Cooper, Percy Harvin, Eric Decker, and Jace Amaro!? SIGN ME UP
Let's finish this season before we make a decision on How good Hoyer is..... He still has a pretty small sample size...... And we need to see what Geno looks like now that we have Harvin/Decker/Amaro at his disposal..,,.
Well I think everyone is assuming we don't sign him until AFTER the season so maybe we'll see him for a full 16. _
Well he currently is, do you see the offense he has to work with in Cleveland? Wow is it dogshit yet he stays winning games
Let's see, he beat the Saints, who had aren't doing well this year. They beat the Titans who are one of the worst teams in the NFL. And then they beat the Steelers, who aren't that good either. He's had three RBs who are doing pretty well this season as a whole. His o-line is doing a great job this year. Not a shocker that a low-tier starter isn't doing bad. It's pretty much no different from how our offense was the first two years of Sanchez's tenure.
