As if he's only got one problem. His biggest problem is he tries to get so cute to outsmart the opponent that he ends up confusing himself
Schotty's biggest problem is his systems are too complex for normal human beings to run well without a lot of time invested in learning the system. This leads to lots of penalties and confusion on offense. His second biggest problem is that the average NFL career is shorter than the time it takes to learn his system. Those are the basic issues. Now throw in the fact that he's way too analytical in real-time, using up way too much time trying to figure out what will work well next when the simplest answer is usually to use something that has already worked well in the game. This leads to plays coming in late and the entire offense adopting his laid-back attitude towards the clock and the game state. It also leads to some of the most confusing calls and sequences of plays imaginable. Ok, so we're 3rd and short, time to empty the backfield and throw the ball out of the spread?! Ok, so the run is working well today. Well, obviously can't keep running because they might figure out how to stop it or something - gotta start passing now!? And so on and so forth. He's just not mentally and emotionally equipped to be a good offensive coordinator. His habits and predispositions are just rotated too far off of the urgent need to produce now that a good offensive coordinator has.
One of the strangest things I have seen in football was during the game, we had the ball but the camera went over to St. Louis' bench. Bradford and Shotty were sitting right next to each other and not saying a word. Shotty was looking over the play list or something, can't remember exactly, but he was studying it hard, and for some time. Bradford kept leaning over as if to say something, or just to remind Shotty that he was there. Was sad really.
haha yeh i saw that and thought the same thing. what kind of coach, when they are down that much in the game, just sits next to his quarterback with nothing to say? bradford had this look on his face everytime he looked over at schotty like, 'really?' i even caught fisher giving schotty some glares as well.
Is there any coach that has manned the Jets sideline in the past 10 years that you don't think is the second coming of Vince Lombardi or Chuck Noll? Is there any player that has worn a Jets uniform in the past 10 years that you are not quick to complement. You incessantly and igorantly criticize the 1960's Jets, who were the best Jets team with some of the best players in Jets history, but insist that the coaches and players of recent years are all great.
I saw that too. It seemed familiar to me. I think people said that he didn't talk to Sanchez enough in games or coach him enough. Maybe he did and the networks never cut to it, I don't remember
I see reality, for you a guy who was an under .500 QB who threw 47 more INTs than TDs and led us to 2 playoff apps was god, for me I appreciate all these coaches have done to give us the most successful sustained run in franchise history. Not just some fluky season, fluky game- a franchise that contends for postseason in most seasons. I'm sorry that bothers you.
One of the saddest things in football is a coach who thinks he can think himself out of a dire predicament when in fact only his boys can get him out of trouble and only then if they are playing on a level much higher than the one that got them there in the first place. Down 2 scores late? Don't be looking at the play sheet, have your guys huddled up on the sidelines and do whatever it takes to try to lift their play because sending in the perfect play isn't the answer unless you have about 15 of them in a row.
In short, Schottenheimer is in a position where he cannot lose. When his offense performs up to the elite status [in annual basis, mind you] next time, that would be his first. But if it happens ONCE, then ALL of his past mediocrities do not matter, right? Of course. That's how Schottenheimer offense works.
not every offense can be the Pats, Brian has run good offenses that have performed in January. I think Bradford can be a top guy and I expect SL will have a very good O in the coming years if they surround the QB w/ more weapons.
That's a very nice way of saying his system makes no fucking sense. Another good way to say "most - probably all - players in NFL will fail to perform in his system." Man, you are way too nice, br4d. Way too nice. You need to put things in direct and concrete words so mere mortals can understand it like it is in reality. So this is how he gets cute while sitting on his ass as the play clock runs down, eh? Seems to make a lot of sense to me. Not according to you-know-who.
No, doing a good job would equate to the performance of the offense being comparable to other good offenses in the NFL. having an excuse for why he did poorly is not the same as Schotty doing a good job.
what other OCs had the same issues as Schottenheimer? I understand it is a results business but he did a good job here w/ all that he had to deal with. No he wasn't great but b/c he wasn't great doesn't mean he sucked.
Greg Roman had to deal with this guy Alex Smith (who is verifiably much worse than Sanchez - this bit coming straight from my 9er fan friend, btw) and he still managed to get his crew to score 23 points a game, good for 11th last season. This season? His crews are scoring 24.5 points a game, 13th in the league. Schottenheimer? 23.6 last season (Jets had some uncanny efficiency in the red zone - probably thanks to Moore overseeing) and 17.4 this season.
so 23 PPG for SF is good, 23 PPG for the Jets is bad- huh? Isn't 23 better than 17? and we are bashing Schottenheimer? and SF is 1-1 in postseason w/ their loss being a home loss to a 9-7 team.
Geez, you haters need to move on. I am surprised to see this thread still getting so much attention, but then again... NE in two days and here you are? Ftr A Smith is better than Sanchez, btw. Also, the Jet O this year is worse than last year. I would think all you who blamed Schotty alone for the problems last year would want to talk about anything other than Schotty right now.
at this point I think the thread has become more about Junc's reasoning why he is good, not a continued interest in criticizing him.
You have lost all credibility now, claiming that the 68 season was a fluke. You try to come off as knowledgeable, but your categorization of the Jets of the late 60s is so far off the mark you come off as whiny and ignorant and you should be better than that. I guess you are not. So continue to glorify Herm Edwards and Schotty and some of the mediocre players of the 2000s, but your criticisms of the 68 Jets and Namath is old, tired, baseless and just plain wrong. I understand and agree the 1997-2010 period is the best period of sustained success in Jets history, but the 68-9 Jets were the best back-to-back seasons in Jets history (.750 winning percentage (11-3, 10-4), two division titles, SB Champs). During the 14 year period of 97-2010, the Jets won one division title (with a 9-7 record) and 10 games or more only 5 times in 16 game seasons as opposed to 14 game seasons in the 60s. Before Curtis Martin, the Jets had only 3 members of the Hall of Fame in 52 years of football, and all three were from the late 60s teams. The entire knowledgeable football world acknowledges the accomplishments of the late 60s Jets and their tremendous contribution to professional football. The SB III win is still one of the most important and influential sporting events of all time. And it was no fluke. The 69 Chiefs dominating the Vikings (after squeaking by the Jets in the playoffs ) in SB IV the same way the Jets dominated the Colts the year before proved that the AFL was on equal footing with the NFL and that the Jets win was not a fluke. For you to continually knock that team and Namath is insulting, annoying , and just plain dumb. Give it up already. Please. You are becoming Champ-like with these Groundhog Day posts about that team and Namath.
No, he's not. This is an insane thing to say. Alex Smith was handed Frank Gore and got Vernon Davis a year later. He still sucked balls for half a decade or more with two guys who will be in the hall of fame conversation after they retire. They would have been in the HoF if they had a decent QB next to them during their early prime. Smith's career got turned around by a new head coach on that side of the ball who brought in an offense that didn't rely on Smith to do anything more than checkdown and make the safe throws, something that he has become good at over the years. Smith has no flair at all. He has no sense of the moment and he can't rise to the occasion when he's needed because everything else has set the 49ers up to lose unless he somehow steps up and makes a few plays in a row. Going into 2011 Smith had 4 4th quarter comeback wins on his resume in 6 seasons. He had 6 game-winning drives. Sanchez had that in 2010 alone.
