I was away this week but I'm guessing the reason we lost is all b/c of the OC. people see we threw it 59 times and are up in arms- "how could we throw it so much", "greene had a nice average". Do you people watch the games or just look at stat sheets? We dominated that 1st half and the D allows a back breaking 99 yd TD on 3rd and 10 from their 1. In the 4th qtr we were down double digits and had to throw- 17 of his pass attempts came in that qtr. Did you see all the penalties? It seemed every drive we were backed up w/ 1st and 20, 2nd and 15, 3rd and 10. We were FORCED to throw We lost b/c we had a million penalties(inclduing a BS one that took away a TD), the giants were barely penalized, the OL struggled and the QB struggled b/c of it. It's so funny seeing everyone go nuts over 59 pass attempts w/o actually discussing the flow of the game.
It's funnier how this piece of shit has been loved blindly into the the ground by management for so many years
he's done a good job for many years, if he hadn't he would have been gone a long time ago. Fortunately they don't listen to what the fans say(most of the time- outside of the Favre debacle). The offense has been very inconsistent this year and the OC takes a heaping of blame w/o a doubt but to act like he's the sole reason is ludicrous. Ask Dolphin fans who thought Dan henning was the problem the lst couple of years- the reason they were 7-9 each year. even if they beat us they will only be 6-10 so tell me how that worked out? I have been more disappointed w/ the D this year(but still very disappointed in the O), the D cost us more games than the O this year. We need to make some changes on both sides of the ball and we'll be a top team again in 2012.
That's true. This team is weak in all facets of the game; be it the offense, the defense, or special teams. The OL and DL are definitely the weakest links and need to be addressed in the offseason.
Realistically the Jets have 3 situations on the offensive line that need to be either handled immediately or monitored very closely over the next season or two: 1. Wayne Hunter needs to go. He's just not a NFL-caliber RT. 2. Matt Slauson is on the bubble and probably would go in any purge of the offensive staff. He's a below average LG and the primary reason that Sanchez has faced blindside pressure this season. 3. Brandon Moore is getting up there in years and he's nicked up more and more at the end of each season. He's very likely to get bumped off his plateau by age and injuries and very soon. It'll be really ugly if he goes before the other two situations have been rectified. On the defensive side I think the Jets problems are legion at this point. They've talked themselves into believing that the front 3 are solid despite the fact that the defense regularly folds in pressure situations and usually folds on the ground. None of the Jets front 3 played well enough to make the Jets a topflight team this season. Wilkerson is young and may well turn out to be a plus player for the Jets but Devito and Pouha are rotational depth. Either one of them could hold down the job well if the other guy was a star but the two of them together are a weakness. The linebackers are getting old and they're slower than you need out of a 3-4 set at this point. Linebackers have to be quick, agile and strong in a 3-4 and instead the Jets have solid lane maintainers. Harris is the only one of the 4 current starters that is really championship caliber. Pace is ok if you have really strong players around him. Same for Thomas. Scott is just getting old in a hurry and while he provides some fire he no longer is the spark. The safeties have been much discussed and what it comes down to is Leonhard is small and injury prone and Smith is just not fast enough, nor quick enough to play safety on a regular basis in the NFL. He could play 46 safety in those sets and give the Jets some pop in the box but he's really not good in space and a large part of the Jet's weakness up the middle this season.
Thank you for agreeing with me on every one of these points. I've been screaming it out from the bottom of my lung for a year now.
Junc. I can't stand your stupidity any more. You tell people to "stop looking at the stat sheet, and watch the game" but isn't that what YOU are doing? Case in point? That 99 yard TD has offensive failure written all over it - either you didn't even watch the game, or you are simply ignoring it. Wanna know how that 99 yard TD came out to be? 1. Kerley had a real nice return into Giants territory around the midfield. 2. On 1st and 10, Tomlinson up the middle for 6. 3. On 2nd and 4, Schottenheimer dials up end-around, and Jets lose 2 yard out of it. 3rd and 6 now. Thank you, genius. 4. 3rd and 6, out of shotgun. In a typical Jets passing attack manner, Sanchez throws incomplete. So, instead of at least a field goal, Jets get nothing. If you didn't read my posting from earlier, this is what it comes down to: 2nd down is the most conservative downs out of all 4, as it is the preparation down for 3rd down. Unless you get 8-9 yards out of 1st down play, adventurous plays have no place in 2nd down call. So what does Schottenheimer do? Exactly that. Razzle-dazzle call. Defend him all you want, but that is the fact as it stands, and as it has transpired. And this is not the first nor the last questionable 2nd down call. Schottenheimer's 1st down calls and 2nd down calls were downright atrocious for years. I remember reading about Jets' awful 3rd down conversion ratio a season ago, but god awful 3rd down conversion doesn't happen for nothing. It means the offense consistently failed at 1st and 2nd down, putting themselves in unfavorable 3rd down situation. If you are producing enough yardage on 1st and 2nd downs, you don't even need to face unfavorable 3rd downs. True, untimely penalties are also part of the picture, but you also have to remember Jets are among the least penalized teams in the entire league - your claim about these OL penalties bogging the team down does not have a leg to stand on. Well... and you had the gall to call out on the defense, when it was the offense who fucked the things up times and again ALL FUCKING GAME. Are you watching the game? Really?
The Offense didn't do a good job but to lay the blame on it for the D's failure is reckless. That was strictly on the D. Even if they give up the 3rd down to Cruz, he can't go the lenght of the field on that play.
I can't wait until the day that we can close this thread for good. Only way that happens is if Dopey is gone.
Schottenheimer has done a good job? HAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh shit, that's the funniest thing I've heard all day. The only thing he can do is develop decent run schemes, otherwise than that his passing play designs are hot garbage and we all know he sucks at developing QB's.
1. We all know Jets pass coverage is a liability due to the slow safeties. This means, if the opposing offense keeps attacking, a fluke thing of this nature is bound to happen. 2. Of course, at the end of the day, it is the defense failing. There is no question about that. I didn't say the defense was not to blame. But if the offense could at least kick a FG, it wouldn't have been as bad - at least Jets go into the half time with 10-10 score, even if Cruz was to score a fluke TD after the FG. 3. As you have seen throughout today's game as well, if the defense keeps the game under 3 TDs for the majority of the game, the offense must step up and finish their part of the deal. If that does not happen, any team will lose. Even if Jets D gave up 29 last week, last 9 points occurred during the last minute, and by then the game was already out of reach (thanks to Sanchez safety.) I cannot blame the D for fucking the game up for this week and the last week. The offense must take the blame squarely. Obviously, the peons down there playing on the pitch are all responsible, and the head coach, who oversees the entire operation is all responsible but somehow the master architect of this bullshit system is immune to blame for some people - I really have to scratch my head over that.
kill this thread with fire I never thought this thread would become such a fucking force on the jets discussion board. I remember seeing after the ravens game last season, but I never thought I'd turn into this.
You are blaming the offense for allowing a 99 yard TD run on 3rd and 9 from theior 1 yard line? seriously?:rofl2: You can't be in a better spot as a defense(well maybe 3rd and 20 from the 1) and not only did they allow a completion for a 1st down they allowed the WR to break a tackle and run 99 yds for the game changing TD but this was the fault of the O and specifically the OC:rofl2:
