If Brady had to face a Belichick defense throughout his career in the playoffs we'd probably be calling him the playoff choker. Manning and Brady have both struggled against Baltimore in the postseason as well.
Maybe if he had to face the LT led Giants Ds of the 80s but the 00s pats Ds were incredibly overrated and rescued time after time after time by Brady. Switch the QBs and Indy has 3-4 SB titles in the 00s and NE has maybe 1.
So now you're arguing the Patriots D's were "incredibly" overrated to prop up Brady? Why were they incredibly overrated? The Pats 2003 and 2004 defenses were both very good.
Stupid thread. Not only is it dumb to look at just this window, but he'd had more championships is they gave him a defense during that time. I hate the guy more than anyone, but he's a great QB. He's played great in the postseason for the most part in this time period, he's just been let down by his teammates. Not to mention the ridiculous curve he's being graded on - which speaks to the type of player he is I guess. Not winning a championship = not a good postseason QB?? Who else gets graded like that? I'd dream to have a QB even close to the level of Brady here for our Jets.
as they should be, when people feel you are in the discussion for best of all time you should be graded tougher than others. Tom Brady is by far the best QB of his generation and he has some flaws as do all great players. He has struggled a but in postseason but still has 2 SB apps, an undefeated season and consistently great play no matter what garbage is lined up around him. One thing Brady has done most of his career is work w/ average offensive talent around, that is something Manning has NEVER had to deal with. Both are all time greats but something has to separate them and for me it's postseason play. Brady has struggled in recent years, Manning has always struggled.
Both Manning and Brady are going to the Hall of Fame regardless. Manning played with better players on offense and has the numbers to show for it. Brady had better defenses and has the rings to show for it.
I agree with this. I think the Peyton Manning criticism is boneheaded as well. Both Brady and Manning are tremendous players.. maybe the 2 greatest QBs of all-time who have swapped paint with each other in this era. It's also dumb to compare their team championships to each other. While I wish they hadn't played for 3 in conference organizations I hate, their decade+ of dominance has been very impressive. It's hard but if I set aside personal animosities from time to time for perspective, it's quite a treat to watch both of them compete.
Of course they are, they were Canton bound if they stopped playing 6-7 years ago. Bardy's Ds have allowed less pts in postseason than the supposed better Manning Ds. The difference in the postseason success has been b/c of the QBs. Imagine Brady getting 14 STs pts and losing at home w/ a bye?
Brady is the best all time QB, he adjusts better during a game than anyone I've seen before. A QB can carry a team most of the season, but come play-off time he needs help, sometime a little, sometimes a lot.
they did beat NE but didn't overcome 2 STs TDs against them like they did at Denver and Brady didn't throw 3 INts that led directly to 17 pts in a 3 pt loss including setting up the GW FG in OT.
Ok? Brady played like crap too. The scale we judge these guys on is crazy. No one can win it every season. Manning and Brady make the playoffs every year- that's the best barometer imo. They both give your team a shot of winning a SB every season. One game elimination anything can happen. No one expected Flacco to get as hot as he did last year.
he did but he was missing his best weapon too and ANOTHER huge Welker drop really hurt them. Brady has not been great ion postseason consistently lately but still better than Manning.
No QB ever has been consistently great in the post season. Belichick's defenses were shutting down Montana and Rice way back when.
yep, when they had LAWRENCE TAYLOR(the greatest defensive player I have ever seen) and those incredibly talent NYG Defenses. he wasn't shutting anyone down in Cle or NE. His NE D's have blown 2 SBs and tried to blow 2 more but luckily Brady had enough time to save them.
Mark Collins was covering Jerry Rice. Who? Belichick has Manning's number. Belichick had Montana's number too. It's never been about Manning vs Brady, they dont play each other. Again- just like QB's aren't perfect each game, defenses arent either. The New England defenses in the early 2000's were better than the Colts defenses. If your argument is merely Brady > Manning. No one will argue that. But Manning's resume speaks for itself...he's still one of the greatest ever.
Mark Collins was actually a pretty good corner and Joe was running for his life against LT, Banks, Marshall, Carson, reasons, Burt, Martin, etc... Mark Sanchez shredded a Bill Belichick defense in postseason on the road w/ half the talent Manning has ever had. Spare me the Belichick excuse, Peyton never faced a great Belichick D. Yes, peyton is one of the best ever.
Good post. This is another thing that people (dumb people) make when discussing QBs, not accounting for how difficult it is in the postseason... It's unfair to judge a QB by comparing their regular season to their postseason play, especially consistently. In the postseason they are playing the best of the best. I get a kick out of statements against Peyton Manning for example when people say his numbers are so and so in the reg. season - and they drop in the post season. Well No shit- he's playing the top defenses in the post season... not padding his stats against the smucks. That doesn't mean he isn't good.---Especially when you get to be as good as Brady and Manning. Organizations will recognize how good they are and build their team specifically to stop them. Sustained success from a QB overall is the mark of their abilities. The regular season and playoffs. Judge teams by team accomplishments and players by player accomplishments. Not mixing them when it's convenient for your argument.
