very much so, especially if they, like me, choose their favorites as opposed to who was technically the best, though sometimes the two do overlap. I probably should do a best at each position list just to see how different it shows up lol.
QB- Namath RB- Mcneil(how could you guys forget this guy ?) WR- Chrebet- toughest Jet ever TE-Keller OL- Mawae DL- Gastineau LB- Lewis CB- Revis
Offense: QB- Joe Namath RB- Curtis Martin FB: Richie Anderson WR: Wayne Chrebet TE: Dustin Keller OL: Kevin Mawae Defense DE: Sean Ellis LB: Jonathan Vilma CB: Darrelle Revis S: Kerry Rhodes (pre 2009) ST K: Jay Feely P: Ben Graham KR: Leon Washington
Best Jet runningback ever Alot of people wont agree but I put Freeman Mcneil over Curtis Martin as best Jet running back ever. McNeil split playing time with Johnny Hector alot. In 12 seasons he had 1798 carries for over 8, 000 yards, he averaged a lifetime yds per carry of 4.5 which was higher than Martin, If he had the same amout of carries as Martin he would have rushed for more yards. In 1798 carrier carries McNeil had 2 fumbles, in 3718 carrier carries Martin had 29 fumbles, proportionately that is a huge difference. Martin had 10 career TD receptions, Mcneil had 12, look at these stats carefully, they speak for themselves, why is Mcneil the forgotten Jet runningback ? I consider him best ever
What the fuck is your problem? Seriously, what is your problem? Here we have a guy making an argument for McNeil over Martin and a key piece of his argument was the amount of fumbles each of the players had in their respective careers. Sorry that there is apparently a sin to correct people who post incorrect Jets data.
You have baited me two times in less than 24 hours. You are the one who is going to get in trouble with the moderators and possibly Petrozza.
Please, tell me what I did to bait you in this thread? I'm simply asked the exact same question you asked me last night.
I want you to report me for this. I really do. It will just show how ridiculous you are. It's a fucking message board, man.
Let's see. I was banned for jokingly calling a known troll (since permabanned) an asshole. I feel I am not able to fight back the way you would like me to because I think I would get a major ban. You can figure it out from there.
In a word, durability. I agree with you, he was the best I ever saw in a Jets uniform, but Martin managed to stay on the field with more regularity. If Martin had Freeman's moves, we'd be talking about one of the best ever.
I stand corrected Mcneils lifetime fumbles were 43, His yards per carry average is 4.5 which was better than Martins and he also had more recieving touchdowns, I believe Mcneil was a better running back than Martin and if he didnt share the workload with Hector his career yards would have been better than martin.
* Mcneil was aJet his whole career 4 years more than Martin. If your gonna mention players who were jets but also played on other teams then was Martin better than Riggins ?
last time I posted the list I posted my favorites, this time I'll go with whom I believe was the best at each position. QB Namath, yes he had alot of picks but that was also reflective of the AFL style of play in the day and rules that favored the defense in the passing game, aka no 5 yard bump rule, no in the grasp to protect QB's, about the only way pass interference was called is if the ball was in the air and heading in the direction of the receiver, and then you almost had to tackle the guy to get called. (different era, clothes lines I believe were still legal in the late 60's). Part of the reason the Jets won the superbowl was Namath managed the game rather than trying to beat the Colts with an AFL style aerial bombardment. Namath was the first QB in history to throw for 4k yards, a feat that wasn't duplicated till 10 years later and under a 16 game schedule. FB John Riggins, yes he had his glory years with the Redskins, but never the less. Despite playing only 5 seasons with the Jets he remains the #8 rusher on the all time Jets career list (only games played with the Jets counting.). I could probably make an argument for Matt Snell here, but I think overall Riggins was a better FB and Snell had the benefit of running behind a better OL than Riggins did for the most part. HB going to go with Martin due to durability, but on pure talent I'd have to go with McNeil. Won't detail much past that point cause it's been discussed in depth by others in this thread. WR Gotta go with Don Maynard at #1, all time leader in yards, #2 in average yards per reception (behind only Walker), #1 in TD's, #1 in Receptions AND only 5 fumbles. And all this BEFORE the league started adapting passing friendly rules in the mid to late 70's. To me there is no debate about who the best receiver in the teams history was. I'm going to go with Wesley Walker at #2 as the best deep threat of all time for the jets walker dropped the ball alot but when he caught the ball it was usually a big time play. He averaged over his career with the Jets 19.0 yards per catch, his first 8 seasons with the Jets he averaged over 20 yards a catch including 2 seasons of over 24 yards per catch, a possesion receiver he wasn't but if you needed a big play he was a good target. Al Toon would be my choice for a #2 with better hands and more balance. TE I'm going to break into two catagories for best because it depends in part what you want from your TE. For the more traditional TE I'd have to say Mickey Shuler. In 11 seasons he racked up 438 receptions for 4,819 yards and he was a complete tightend with his blocking. On the other hand there is the receiving tight end that has become more popular of late in the NFL, Caster was a prototype of this type of tight end, not so much a blocker as a reciever in 7 seasons he mounted up 245 catches for 4434 yards, an average for a WR like 18.1 yards per catch. He didn't have the best hands but he created total mismatches against the defense at tight end. I'd say overall I prefer Shuler, but if your mounting a passing attack a guy like Caster gives defenses nightmares. The offensive line is such a tough thing to judge who's best of the best, there are no stats to really back it up, and what stats there are only came about recently and can't be traced back very far in history. I think when all is said and done Mangold will probably be reflected on as the best center in our teams history, but for right now I'd have to say Mawae due to his overall career. I could say the same for the brick as I said about Mangold, but for now I'm going to say Winston Hill was our best ever OT, again it's really hard to judge OL, so I may be abit biased on this. Guard I'm not very sure about, the jets have had alot of very good guards so I won't comment. DT-it varies depending on 3-4 or 4-3 but I really can't think of a better all time Jet than Joe Klecko, simply put he was a beast and one could, I think successfully argue, that Klecko was a big reason Gastineau could all out pass rush like he did. DE-Gastineau? Nope, Going old school here with Gerry Philbin. Philbin was a terriffic pass rusher and very solid against the run, he was a perennial all star. Despite playing in the era before stats like Sacks and tackles became official stats Gerry is generally credited for between 13 and 19 unofficial sacks in 1968 off of seasonal reconstructions. CB-Despite only 4 years in the NFL, gotta go with Revis, a close second to Aaron Glenn--Revis Christ, nuff said. S-This is tough for me, but i'm going to go with James Hasty. Hasty is tied for #3 on the Jets for all time interceptions and was a big hitter not afraid to lay someone out. LB, going to cheat abit and have 3 here as the jets have gone 3-4 and 4-3 over their exisitance and who's best on the outside really depends on if your 4-3 or 3-4. #1 LB I'd have to say overall Mo Lewis as my inside LB, he was the complete package and a big hitter. Outside LB I have to go with Larry Grantham as a 4-3 OLB and for the life of me I can't really think of an exceptional 3-4 OLB for the Jets, so I'll just name another outside LB and go with Kyle Clifton, not flashy but for alot of years was probably the best Jet Defender on a pretty poor overall team. Kicker...I've said before I thought Turner was the best the jets ever had, but in reflection I'm giving that honor to John Hall. Of the Kickers with more than 100 FGA's as a jet he has the Highest percentage made at 73.4%, and was the best long range kicker at 50+ yards at 47% made (19 attempts 9 good). Close runner up to Pat Leahy at 71.4% over his much longer jet career. Punter-going old school with Curly Johnson with his 42.5 average over 7 years, close second to Graham with his 43.7 yrd average, giving the advantage to Curly just because he did it for about twice as long for the jets and it's only a 1 yard distance difference. Really it's about a toss up...
