Matt Walsh has more tapes he is willing to turn over, the questopn becomes will the NFL protect him. He did a confidentiality clause with the Patsies. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7803236/Walsh's-lawyer-asks-NFL-for-protection
I’m feeling even better about hiring the ball boy of a coach who was seemingly the best ever to now find out that it was a complete fraud. So – now we have: a ball boy who was part of what will become the biggest fraud in professional football whom let 2007 stand as evidence to his complete incompetence. Come on you ‘in mandoofis I trust’ posters…give it to me. ManWasteOfAnEra is a cheating frauds sidekick; a cheater himself.
This is getting great. The Cheatriots are going to be exposed as The Frauds they are -- and it really strikes a thousand boners in my heart.
The clause only protects the Pats from him talking to the press... if he's subpoenaed there's nothing the Pats can do
I was wondering, if it is proven that New England was cheating and that NFL commissioner Roger Goodell knew about it and did nothing to stop it, wouldn't that open up the NFL itself to various lawsuits for breach of contract etc?
Great post. The sportscasters tried to bury the fact that the Patriots cheated by pointing out the margin of victories and the quest for the perfect season that never was. Another interesting point that you made is how the Pats after seven years had the taping down to a science and could tape the signals and use them in second half. How else could you explain the fact that Estrella got caught taking the video camera to the pats locker room? If they were going to use the tape for the next game why did he try to give the camera to the pats at halftime time? He could have done it at the end of the game.
The taped defensive signals could have only been used the offense. Mangini was coaching on defense. Of course, we don't know what ever happened to the different frequencies that the NFL was looking into. They could have been used to spy on the offense but Goodell never said what happened nor was he ever asked to explain. But of course, we can trust that nothing wrong was found out from the man that destroyed the evidence.
I'm with you, colordadojet. "Everybody did it", OK, how much have we heard that sorry deflection? The level and the extent is what makes it so hard to stare at without having our retinas burned out. Haha, "where's the proof". The court of public opinion is sometimes a far harsher prosecutor. Patriots fans make easy targets because of their self-entitlement, yet they love to cry foul, by and large. A select few own and admit the taint. I admire that. The city of Boston should erect a statue on Boston Common to commend them for their bravery.
Well the Rams game is interesting because the Rams said in the walkthrough they would have focused on Red Zone offense. I do remember an INT returned 90 yards that was called back because of a penalty that would have made the score 24-10 Pats and put it away. The Pats did play the Rams earlier in the year so they did have the oppurtunity to tape the Rams. The Panthers is debatable although the only thing I remember about that game is Kasey kicking the ball out of bounds. The Eagles game is interesting as well because Eagle players were saying how everytime they blitzed the Pats picked it up. They made commenst about no matter what they did the Pats had the answer. They didn't play the Eagles that year though.... but they did play both the Colts and Steelers in the regular season whom they destroyed in the playoffs. I do remember the defense killing Big Ben that game too. It's interesting because the Chicken coaching tree isn't nearly as succesful as the Walsh tree. Think about it Weiss- Not a great coach, can recruit but coaching is highly suspect Crennell- Found lightning in a bottle with Anderson or he woulda been fired (Remember he started Charlie Frye week 1 because he didn't know which of the two was better) Mangini- The jury is still out McDaniels dcided to stay but he may regret that decision once all this comes out. My other thought about this conspiracy was when the Pats drafted Cassell from USC and everybody was claiming that the Pats know what they are doing. Anybody think there is a chance that they did this just to cover up that they cheated. Brady was a 6th round QB from Michigan that was made to look like the greatest ever. Then again it's easy to look like Joe when you know what's coming next. The Cassell thing could have been, who could doubt NE and the Chicken because look at what they did with Brady
Goodell only became commissioner this year and this year he did do something about it. Yeah he looks bad for destroying the tapes but at least he now came clean about the Patriots cheating since '00. If anyone deserves ire it's Tagliabue - he obviously knew about it since it was going on since '00 after all, and he did nothing all these years about something that was illegal. If I'm New England I'm trying to dig up dirt fast on any of the other 31 teams. Because the NE fan defense has been 'well everyone does it, we just got caught'. So far there has been NO evidence of anyone else doing it, which has contributed to the heat the Pats are getting.
On the contrary, Belly argued that by virtue of his "interpretation" of the rule, it wasn't illegal. The problem for Belly is that he doesn't get to decide that. The commissioner and the rules committee does. If he was so concerned about playing by the rules, why didn't he just call up the Commish and ask if it is legal before doing it? We all know the answer to that. Here's the other problem for Belly and his Chowd sycophants. The rule in question was put into place to stop this kind of taping, and yet Belly continued to do it. What does that say about his concern for the rules? Baron you are better than this. Don't defend Belly's Nixonian actions. Crime or no crime, the NFL gets all sorts of benefits from Congress and the US Gov't. It's not like the Commish can tell Congress to fcuk off. Goodell sure got into Specter's office quickly, now didn't he? TBTF
I love how now that the Pats lost the entire media has turned on them... Today on the Sports Reporters, Bob Ryan, yes the Boston Globe reporter, stated how it's over for Beli and was calling on Bob Kraft to do something... unreal.
O.K. Maybe not breach of contract BUT what about the Gambling interests? Could it be that the NFL was allowing N.E.* to cheat in order to influence how people will bet or possibly rig games so that certain "Informed" people were able to make the correct bets? I know that it's a long shot but stranger things have happened. Remember, until recently, nobody thought that NBA games could be rigged.
Entirely possible. One bet this year actually that intrigued me(but I did not take it) was NYG +1500 prior to the Conference Championship games. I figured "well, they gotta go through GB in GB then the Pats in the SB, nah..." I'm guessing the 2001 Patriots had a similar moneyline. They had to go through the Steelers in Pitt. then Rams in the SB. If you're the wiseguy with the inside scoop that they're taping opponents, you bet that 15:1 or whatever moneyline and you bet it hard. If you bet them before the tuck-rule Oakland game, then you're looking at 30:1 odds or more. Considering how many different people knew about what the Pats were doing, it would absolutely shock me if none of them tipped off at least someone in Vegas.
.. now this is where it gets really good. Pioli states that Walsh was fired for secretly taping conversations between himself and Walsh. The spin doctoring to discredit the star witness. The same tactic that Roger Clemens is using with McNamee.
Just because nothing might come out of the situation doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed, and that fans who feel cheated shouldn't be able to vent their frustrations with the league. However much you might like this to be swept under the table, it is now apparant that all three of your super bowl titles are tainted in the eyes of a lot of NFL fans.
