I don’t see this at all. He certainly hasn’t been very good. But the times we’ve seen him boogieing off on his own I’d ascribe more to the fact that you have a really young, inexperienced guy reverting to what he knows and trusts best, his own superior athletic ability, in times of emergency. If the coaching wasn’t so weak and/or the roster so shitty he wouldn’t have been going off script.
How do you know this? I guess I can see where a stronger coach would have just nailed his ass to the bench early on if he went off script consistently the way he was doing. That's the only fault that I see at this point that is fully ascribable to the Jets situation. We talk about the WR's being shitty but the fact is that Zach was airmailing a lot of simple throws and hardballing some of the short range deliveries. Once we saw Mike White's delivery the vibe on Zach's throws changed from "a lot of drops" to "most guys wouldn't have caught that" - which was the truth.
How do I know the coaching is weak and the roster is shitty? Is that a real question? What team have you been watching this season?
I didn't ask those questions. I asked how you knew Zach Wilson wouldn't have been going off script. Because I read that quality in him before he was drafted. Heroboy gets destroyed by NY meta before he ever arrives. Just like Richard Todd.
Ah, my bad. Obviously I don’t really know, and neither do you. I’m just offering what I believe to be the more plausible explanation. “I’m going to do it all by myself because I’m the greatest there is” vs “I have no fucking idea what I’m doing but I have to do something”.
Come on now. He had plenty of drops that NFL receivers should catch. In fact In yesterday's games I saw some of the exact same throws but we're caught in this game. The only thing white did was check down against a bad Cincy defense that overlooked the Jets. Look what happened to White against the Bills and they were afraid to play him against dolphins. Zach is a rookie learning a very complex offense and has made plenty of mistakes. The play calling did not help him either and either did We drops I'm critical moments to keep drives alive. The good thing Zach is playing better looking for the easier throws and trusting his playmakers. He also has more time to throw the play calls are better and his receivers are running the proper routes (except for Mims) . The kid makes a bad throw and it gets translated into every ball is in the dirt. That same week we see Mahomes do the same thing and no critical. The fact is Zach is a rookie and young Rookie. Zach just turned 22 Burrows is 25 as is Mike White. Mac Jones is 23. Age matters and Zach is still growing. The expectations should have been Zach struggles early and gets better as the season progresses. That is exactly what is happening. You learn more from the negative and that is what Zach is doing. He is learning what he can cannot get away with in the NFL. As he has gotten more comfortable his decision making has gotten better , he has become more accurate and he is using his athletic ability more. The reason I like this kid was his progression as a QB in college. He got better every season. The kid has all the physical tools and is now learning on the mental or cerebral part of the game you only get with experience. This season was always about that and making a playoff run next season. If Zach comes out next season like did the last I will be the first one critical of him because my expectations will be muvh higher. Shitting on the kid at every turn because you wanted to keep Sam is pretty shitty thing to do and you know it. If Zach did 99/100 things great you would focus one thing he fucked up. Let's all be clear for the Jets to take the next step next season Zach has to be a top 20 type QB and ascending. Shore up the defense bring in a TE and the Jets will compete in most games and should be competing for a playoff spot.
You’re really belaboring this point and it’s getting ridiculous. You get this read on him because he looks like the type of kid who would be cocky and arrogant when the reality is that he has appeared to be nothing but humble since he got here.
Not biased at all; substantiated by Robert Saleh and correct according to Saleh who said there is an option if you need a half yard to a yard; there is no option to keep the ball when you need over a yard.
That was on the coach. You don’t call the option, period. You flat out call the play straight out. Hand the ball over period. That was not the way it was relayed, They called the option if the gap was there. Hell yes it was a biased comment.
Why do you keep talking about an option? Saleh was very clear when he said there is no option if you need more than a yard. Wilson should have known that and handed off. Nobody called an option for any gap or any other reason.
Not true. Saleh and LF both said straight out they did not communicate that properly that there was no option. Wilson followed the play called exactly as designed as per Saleh. That was not on Wilson, it was on The OC. Listen to the interviews. You guys keep ignoring that.
I'm not ignoring anything, I have listened to the interviews and I heard Saleh say that the option is there for plays that need a half a yard or a yard, it's not there for when you need two yards. I don't remember if I heard that interview on the radio or saw a clip on the news. In the Monday press conference he definitely looks and sounds like he is covering for Wilson when he says he's taking the blame for a miscommunication. As I mentioned before, I'd be very interested in taking that page out of the playbook and seeing what it says there about when it is to be used or run without any options available.
You can see it on the sidelines that Wilson isn't well liked. Now granted, most of those teammates probably won't be here next year, but I dont think its a good thing
You usually see QBs mixing it up with their O-line slappin their helmets, tossing the ball around with the boys, chatting with the receivers. Wilson comes to the sideline and he's by himself, or with the coaches only
Good question. It is my understanding that one of the things that sets this offense apart from other offenses is that each play does have at least two, if not several options. That's what makes it more complex. At least one, if not a couple of the players have said that with other offenses when one is in a certain formation/alignment that a play is either a run or a pass, it can't be either.both. There are offenses that have RPOs, but I'm not sure how they differ from ours. I just have read that out of about any alignment that the Jets have there are options for run or pass, and even the pass routes can be changed by the WR and the way he reads the D. That makes it much more difficult for the QB and WR to be on the same page with what the read is or should be, and to keep the timing of the play accurate. With the particular play in question, supposedly it was designed that if there was a space in either A gap, the QB was supposed to run a QB sneak, but if there was no space in either A gap, the QB is supposed to hand the ball off to the WR on and end around.
IMO whatever football acumen he once may have possessed left him long ago. He now lives in a bizarro world and only sees bizarre, blatantly wrong views of things.
NO, it wasn't. Saleh didn't say what you claim he did. Saleh defended Zach and blamed himself and LaFleur. He clearly said that in this instance, MLF and he should have told Zach in this instance to ignore the sneak component and to just hand the ball to Berrios. Try to keep up. In addition, after it became public knowledge that Zach was told to execute the plays exactly as they were designed and called, and to not audible, that is exactly what he has done, including on that play.
Who should I believe? You or my lying ears? Saleh said the option on that play was valid for a half yard to a yard, not for anything over that. He certainly sounded like he was doing everything in his power to not indict Wilson or LaFleur, it's what coaches do. None of us know what the playbook says about that, so we'll never know for sure who screwed it up, maybe all three of them, but if it's not there already that page in the playbook needs an asterisk.
