Nope, Rosen comes with a lot of risk between his injury history, concussion history, and douchebag attitude. That makes for a potential very low floor. If he can mature, find a way to relate to teammates, and stay healthy....he's got a high ceiling.
Darnold is a bit of a project, with mechanical issues in his throwing motion. Very high ceiling, but his floor is not as high as Mayfield who is ready to play.
Mayfield is a douchebag too. I think Rosen trumps Mayfield in everything especially football IQ. Can you really consider injury history and concussion history into a players floor? Especially if they are fully healthy at this time? perhaps it plays a role if you draft them or not but not their floor ... usually a players floor is related to their ability to play on the field. I think Rosen has a higher ceiling as well, but Darnold and Jackson have the highest ceilings in the draft. Allen as well, but he has the lowest floor.
If a player has a high risk of not playing due to injury, that absolutely factors into their floor. if they can't get on the field and/or have a short career, that makes for very little effectiveness, and thus a very low floor. I believe Rosen comes with the most risk, and has the lowest floor. Mayfield is a different type of douche as I mentioned earlier. His teammates love him, and I haven't heard of any coaches or scouts being put off by him. The same can't be said of Rosen. I'd agree Rosen, Darnold and Allen all have higher ceilings than Mayfield, but I wouldn't be surprised if Mayfield ends up the most successful based on what he's already proven on the field.
The concussions are an issue, but as long as tests come back positive and he's healthy he should be fine. He recovered from his shoulder injury. I don't think he's as injury prone as many suggest. I don't think that affects his floor. Allen absolutely comes with the most risk and the lowest floor. There is no way he plays in his first year. He can't complete easy passes to save his life. He's bad in the pocket. He can wow you with his arm, but that's it. Even a quick pass to the back seems to be a challenge for him. Rosen is a guy that questions authority and that's the type of QB the Jets need. Someone that picks up on the offense and asks 100s of questions to ensure he's in the right situation to succeed. He does think he knows more then others at time, but I don't have a problem with that especially if the QB is working hard and wants to perfect his craft. Some people get turned off by that, Rosen is no "Yes Man" IMO Mayfield was part of a great team, best situation for a QB to be in. If the talent around him isn't great, will he get worse? He's had the best TE in the country and a great offensive line. Good weapons all around. It could easily mask his deficiencies on the field along with the system.
Darnold is the prospect that if he doesn’t work out on his first team he will be someone’s reclamation project and could bounce around the league for 10 years as a back up. Mayfield i see as either working out or out of the league by the time his contract expires
In order: Rosen has a history of injuries, and is bad in the pocket. Takes a lot of hits. He was injured this year even, and didn't play in his bowl game. You can't just dismiss that risk in terms of evaluating his floor. And his 'questioning of authority' is a nice way of saying he doesn't take coaching or criticism well. Factor that with reports of teammates not liking him, and questions as to whether he's in football for the right reasons, these are all major flags getting glossed over on this board. Allen I'd agree has a potential low floor as well, but for totally different reasons. He throws the ball too hard when it isn't necessary, and he's inconsistent with accuracy. I'd agree he'd be better served sitting for a year behind a vet like Eli or McCown. However, it's not true that he can't make simple throws, he just hasn't proven consistent. It's also not true that he has a big arm and nothing else. The guy is great in the pocket, has a lot of ability to evade pressure and extend plays. He throws very well on the run. He's also the biggest and most athletic (outside of Jackson) in this class, and a danger to make plays with his legs but without relying on that. I think he'll be very dangerous in the red zone, and he's a threat to throw a bomb from anywhere. He also has the best attitude along with Darnold, in terms of taking coaching, working hard and staying humble. Doesn't hurt that he has good mechanics and comes from a pro style offense either. Mayfield proved more than anyone on the field. It wasn't just his team or system. He played great against great competition, and looked good at Senior Bowl activities. If he was 3 inches taller he'd be the slam dunk #1 overall pick. Interviews will be the most important part of the process for both Mayfield and Rosen.
He doesn't do a good job of avoiding pressure, but to say he's bad in the pocket? I disagree, he does try and find the open man and for that I think he holds onto the ball at times longer. In terms of the authority, check the interview with Dilfer, I think he's a little arrogant yes for sure, but I like that confidence in a player. Sometimes coaches don't really put players in the best situation, but I think he's far more coach-able NOW then when he was in HS. Considering the Jets can't coach QBs up, this looks like a perfect fit. Rosen is a different type of guy. Its not like Connor Cook from years ago. He still throws the prettiest football out of any of the QBs in this draft. The fact that he's a rich kid playing football, he doesn't have to do that, that means he loves the game and wants to be great. I've read several interviews about it, kid has a lot of hobbies and in a way he's a perfectionist. It's an obsessive habit and maybe that turns players off. https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-...-Josh-Rosen-will-thrive-in-New-York-115627419 - To me, this is simply the type of player the Jets need. Josh Allen has ZERO touch on any of his passes. It's 1 speed and 1 speed only. He's also awful in the pocket. He runs around, scrambles and chucks it down the field. It was evident in so many of his tapes. Mayfield, it was the system. He's accurate, but again not many tight window throws. So many open receivers, bad Big 12 defenses (TCU had a down year). When you saw him play Georgia, Georgia shut him up pretty quickly in that second half and it led to a conservative play-call by the coaches. If he played in the SEC or ACC, I don't think he would be nearly as successful. Its going to be interesting to see how these players play at the next level.
Rosen is too stiff to have a high floor. If he goes to a team with a shitty OL I can easily see him getting David Carr’d and just attacked every Sunday. Baker can create.
Matt, I think you're wrong about Mayfield's attitude issues. Do some reading on him. You'll see what I mean.
I didn't really see that against Georgia. Especially the 2nd half when the pressure was on. I think that's going to happen regardless of the QB. If we don't fix the C position, Baker, any QB will get Carr'd. Baker at best, MIGHT be Brees (not as good, but around the same type of skill-sets), but I feel Rosen will get to Matt Ryan a lot faster.
