Now I love Revis and Harris, don't get me wrong. But I think the biggest problem with the Jets strategy in 2007 was to think we were two players away from being an elite team. We were 10-6 in 2006 and I think the FO got a little overconfident. And I believe their draft strategy reflected this. Trading up cost us a bunch of picks and got us very talented players. However those middle round picks could have been the backup OL and 3-4 defensive pieces that this team so desperately needed. Not having a competent OL cost us several games last season.
I can't believe that anyone is still criticizing the trading up for Revis/Harris! Looking back at that draft - there is probably 3 guys who I take before Revis(Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas and Adrian Peterson). Harris is probably one of the 10 best players taken in that draft. I don't believe our FO thought we were two players away. I think they saw the opportunity to get two pieces that would star in the system for a decade+. As for the topic of this thread: It is too early to judge Gholston. Give him time to learn his new position. Be happy that we have BT and Pace performing well enough to keep the pressure off of him.
How do you know this even crossed their mind? It's not like we were amazing in '06... Please list the players we should have drafted but skipped...
How do you know this even crossed their mind? It's not like we were amazing in '06... Please list the players we should have drafted but skipped... It seems like alot of the fans who work in hindsight have tried to cement it in our heads that *the front office* thought we were only a few players away from being elite. If I remember correctly, *fans* thought this team was close to elite last offseason. Remember all the "we close the gap between us and the Pats" threads? No? Forgot those? You're *assuming* they thought our holes were all full...and throwing out a whole bunch of stuff...cap room for one... Then theres this whole "why still talk about it" thing...since it happened...it sucked...and we've moved on...
to be honest, I would have taken the Jags deal that they gave Baltimore for Derrick Harvey. In my eyes, that deal would have been even enough for me that so I would have taken that in a heart beat. then I would have drafted Keller at the Jag's original position. then with our 2nd round pick I would have taken Limas Sweed. (Sweed is the WR i wanted, but hindsight says Eddie Royal looks to be the top WR in the class so far) then. Then in round 3 (the jaguars picks) I would have selected Shawn Crable first (Langford was already selected by the time their first third round pick arrived) and Cliff Avril with the second selection. Both guys are LB's yes, but you can never have enough depth there, by all accounts crable is going to be a stud, and of course since we didnt take Gholston we need an edge rusher, and Avril fits the bill, and many of us were looking at avril as a potential round 2 guy for us. Then i take lowery in four. I will be the first to admit it is pure hindsight, when we drafted him, i was WTF? Who is this guy? But after reading up on him, he looks like a stud, and has played very well in his first two NFL games. with the other round 4 pick from the Jags i would take Tony Hillis the tackle from Texas, never can have enough T depth, and our OL depth in general is awful. in 5 we take Ainge, in 6 we take Henry, and then in 7 i would have taken, Jameel Mclain from Syracuse, he is a decent prospect and i think ps worthy, I only say not garner because he didnt make our squad, yet didnt clear waivers to hit the PS. so essentially it was a wasted pick, since he isnt with the organization after his first tc in any capacity. That is my hindsight draft 2 weeks into the year. I hated the idea of gholston, i always feared his lack of consistency, and i thought he was a one trick pony. Of course the consistency issue was my biggest problem with Mario Williams as well and we can all see how well he has worked out in houston.
We have a better QB than Flacco on the roster other than Favre and his name is Brett too. I really believe that Ratliff is going to be a franchise QB for us. In terms of who we should draft, I cannot dump Gholston yet. Super Marion looked like a slow Super-bust his first year but is now a monster and clearly a better choice than Bush. Gholston I believe will "get it" one day.
Shit...seriously? Ratliff gets the crown after the preseason? And the Williams looked like a bust thing his first year is common "fan who didn't watch him" knowledge. Dude was a good player his first year...fans just don't put much thought into how players in the NFL develop...which is why you get all the crap about "it" factors and etc...
I am not giving the "crown" yet to Ratliff, nor "annointing" him. HOWEVER, whether or not it was against 2nd and third stringers Ratliff was dominant in the preseason. And not just statistically, but from an intangible standpoint too: he was poised, showerd leaderhsip, command of the offense, and great vision. He also has all the physical traits you want in a QB. Is he a guaranteed franchise QB? No. but neither is any QB draft pick really. I think at this point there is a much greater chance of a QB that has shown the ability to dominate at any level of NFL competition, than a hot "name prospect" that has never taken a snap in the NFL. Why is it that fans are so willing to give up on a terrific prospect like Ratliff for a draft pick simply based primarily on draft position?? I will never get that.
That's exactly right. Sitting 6 with problems in the front 7 there was just no way the Jets don't take Gholston if he is what was left to them. Realistically they needed to move the pick weeks before the draft if the were planning to go another direction, because within a week of the draft the order had solidified so much that they couldn't sell the pick as anybody but Gholston, Ellis, Rivers or McKelvin depending on whether the other team wanted a lineman, linebacker or defensive back. There were no offensive players of the caliber of the 6 pick available at that point.
You don't pick a David Harris to star for a decade, because he has a real injury history already. That said, I wouldn't have minded the 2007 draft as much as I do at the moment if the Jets had stood pat on the 25 and taken Harris with the pick and then exercized the rest of their picks. It's this constant selling out of the draft that the Jets have done over the last 7 years that is distressing. You either believe that you have the ability to pick good players on the picks you are allotted or you panic and start trading up, as the Jets have done so often over the last 7 years. I want the Jets to be Cowboy/Steeler/Patriot good and you don't get there by panicking and trading up to cherry-pick players who are just as likely to take a knee as anybody else.
Wow....Wow... In fact...fuck the bolded this whole post doesn't make sense. How the fuck do you manage to spin trading up for better players into a sign of panic and incompetence? And who do you expect to buy that shit?
In my opinion we should of skipped over gholston we should have either traded down some picks or traded up to get a player we really wanted cuz we ended up trading up to get keller. Not saying he was a bad pick at all we just need to go up or down with the first pick. I would of tooken a running back for sure if u watch highlights of the miami game a fast running back can get into the pats secondary(ronnie Brown). Felix jones or chris Johnson would have done the trick we need a back who can run a screen properly and make plays out of nothing. People bashed me for saying thomas jones isn't the answer for us!!!!
