Are the Yankees Done? Part 2

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  1. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    I would agree on most points you make here but you are totally discounting the injuries the Yankees had in the first two months. 4 starting pitchers on the DL, 3 of them at the same time. Matsui and Daemon on the DL together. Most injuries a team should be able to overcome except multiple starting pitchers. It isn't like you have a bunch of them sitting on the bench waiting. The Yankees were using class A, AA and AAA pitchers as starters for weeks. By the middle of May they had already used 12 different starting pitchers which set the team or MLB record. More then any team I can think of would use over an entire year.
     
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  2. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    Either you're intentionally being dense or this is all just way above your head. First, I never made any claims about strength of schedule being predictive or anything like that, just that in the time frame you referred to where the Yankees had a good record they were playing crappy teams for the most part, which is true and indisputable. If you can't see that the strength of the Yankees opponents should not get the full benefit of the Red Sox .620ish W% despite only playing them 3 times in that 58 game span, and therefore it should be weighted, then I guess there's nothing more to say to you on the topic.

    Also, you are wrong about it being 24 games. A team that is 774-726 is 48 games ahead of a team that is 726-774. 49 was a typo on my part. And we most certainly are NOT talking about 62 games in this instance. I'm not figuring out the winning percentage of the opponents over 62 games, I'm figuring out the total winning percentage for the YEAR. So that's about 100 games for each opponent times the 15 or so opponents they faced. So yes, it IS about 1500 games.
     
  3. Cappy

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    Neither. But that's a nice attitude. At the risk of sounding arrogant, I doubt there is much you could offer that is "way above my head," mathematically or statistically speaking. No need to get pissy.

    And the point is that the strength of the Yankee schedule is ALREADY weighted due to the fact that they were only playing them three times. The weighting is already inherent in the formula. You want to weight it again.

    To the best of my knowledge, all those stories you read about the Yankees' schedule wasn't just adding up the winning percentages of each team and dividing by fifteen. They were calculated by taking the winning percentage of each team at game-time, and then dividing by the number of games.

    Yes, it is 48 games... which is a 24-game swing for EACH TEAM (which I clearly emphasized in my last post. Because if a game is not won, it goes in the loss column. Let me put it in super simple terms:

    A team plays four games. There is a two-game difference between having a 3-1 record and having a 1-3 record, right? But a different outcome in only one game (for each team) is needed to even their record.

    Where did I say it wasn't? I told you, I used 62 games to show you how few games are needed over that span to even the team's out. When I said, "No it isn't," I was referring to your typo.

    In any case, despite whatever it is you think I'm trying to say/not say, all I'm doing is pointing out that the difference in opponent record is not worth more than maybe a couple of games.
     
  4. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    That right there is the problem then. The numbers I posted were not taken from an outside source and pre-weighted or anything like that. I simply took the opponents of each team and added up their wins and losses and posted the W% of their total combined records. I'm not aware of any type of formula that weights based on how many times they played them or anything else, so I just used the literal cumulative won/loss records of the opponents since June 1st. That is why I felt the need to weight it.
     
  5. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    The Yankees are one of only six teams with a winning record against teams over .500. Five in the AL (Boston, NY, Cleveland, Seattle and one I can't remember, maybe LA.). I believe it was Atlanta in the NL.

    This probably says more then any other stats regarding who they played and when.
     
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  6. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    FTC, it wasnot freudian I meant chAmp as in making posts and then disappearing. glad to have ya back though, no hard feelings,,,,,,,and dude, dont ever take being compared to champ as a compliment...youre better thanb that:beer:
     
  7. FirstTimeCaller

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    I have no idea who champ is. Regardless... I went to Chicago to watch Glavine's 300th, if taking a few days off from posting means I "disapeared"... so be it. My track record speaks for itself, if I'm wrong about this I will admit it.
     
  8. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Yankees sweep Cleveland. .750 since the break.

    Boston loses 2 of 3 to Baltimore

    I guess the stats have changed.
     
  9. ollie

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    Just know being an SLW isn't a good thing... and don't ask what that means cuz no one does....
     
  10. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    hahaah. he did actually PM me and admit that it stands for super lightweight. he made me promise to never tell anyone
     
  11. Yisman

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    crawl out of your box. you post on TGG and don't know who champ is?
     
  12. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    It's still too early to say but apparently the Yankees are better than what I've given them credit for. They still have a tough schedule taking away the series from Baltimore and look slike everybody else is coming back to the Yankees instead of the Yankees catching them. The Tigers can't buy a win, The Tiwns lose 4 straight, Gone Yay costing the Red Sox 2 games in the standings and of course a sweep of the Indians. Now the roadtrip to Seattle and Anaheim could be the season for you guys.

    I'm giving credit where it's due as your team has showed some serious character but I still hate all of those bastards and will be rooting against them in everygame but best of luck to you guys the rest of the season.
     
  13. Sundayjack

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    They're playing something like .800 ball after the break, and averaging something like 8 runs a game during that timespan. I saw an interview with Steve Phillips this afternoon (right, I took the day off), where he still maintains that this offensive streak will pass. Tonight notwithstanding, even if it cools down by half, that's STILL a heckuvalot of production.

    It should get interesting.
     
  14. FirstTimeCaller

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    I don't sweat other dudes like you do. :smile:
     
  15. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    Steve Phillips the man who knows exactly how to get beat by the Yankees....

    and give up top prospects for garbage
     
  16. nyjunc

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    Also the man who helpd ead the Mets out of the dark ages and put together your only WS team in the last 20 years.
     
  17. 28rogerblaze51

    28rogerblaze51 New Member

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    what the hell are you talking about? someone made a comment about you and i asked wha about it.

    and you guys dont pay attention, the yankees have been winning for over a month then i started posting again its not like i left and came back again after 2 weeks of winning... and if i stop posting its because nothing is interesting in that point in time, yeah the yankees have been winning alot but what am i going to post? i would be stating the obvious. the only new jet news is revis almost signing, after that, thats it, no reason to post, other than reading and making a comment about someone else post or stupidity.
     
  18. FirstTimeCaller

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    Great to see all you guys who were calling me out in this thread for missing two days of posting have now been AWOL for almost two weeks in this (and the original) thread.... what a joke.
     
  19. MSUJet85

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    Bah, He did build a talented team but in a matter of a year managed to completely destroy the team sending us back to more dark ages with his stupidity. This is also the same man that wanted to trade Wright for Jose Cruz Jr. To call him retarded would be an insult to retarded people
     
  20. Yisman

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    you're a space cadet is all. gotta venture out to the Jets forum at some point
     

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