The short arms are certainly a concern, & I don't think those names are good comparisons for Ingram. He isn't gonna get more than maybe 8 sacks in a year, and he is not a classic edge rusher. What he be is a very disruptive all purpose pass rusher who can provide pressure in any number of positions along the front 7. I believe his versatility can off set the short arms b/c he won't always BE matched up w/ OT's & also b/c his hand technique/explosion is so good.
While I can agree with you that he isn't a violent hitter he is a solid enough tackler. My excitement with this guy comes from his extreem athleticism, versatility, and big play ability. Watch some of his highlights (fake punt for TD, or interception on fake FG) the guy has the ability to run with some decent ball skills, and as far as I'm concerned thats just a bonus. He can turn the corner with amazing speed 6.83 3 cone drill. With some coaching I think this guy could be a stud. Disagree with me all you want but I was high on Ingram before he blew up the combine, I'm very excited the Jets are interested in him!
I'm not seeing the hands that you are Kurt. He gets locked up a lot on linemen and resorts to that spin move way too often. Natural defensive linemen have that 2nd nature ability to handfight, he really does look like a LB when he's contacted by bigger linemen. He has a good short area burst, but he's in trouble until he learns to control it because he takes himself out of a lot of plays.
Which is why some coach screwed up not developing the offensive side of his game, because he could have been a really intriguing weapon with the ball in his hands. He makes those random big plays, but when it comes to sacks and major TFL, he was 2nd fiddle his whole career at SC. Watch any game from last year and you'll see right away what a top ten defender looks like in Jadaveon Clowney. Even Devin Taylor looked better at times.
Jets trading up for Ingram? according to Tony Pauline: " Chatter gets louder around the league the NY Jets will try & trade up for Melvin Ingram...Cowboys moving the other way: http://www.draftinsider.net/ " @TonyPauline thoughts on this?
My thoughts is that I really, really hope he turns out to be exactly what we need if they're willing to give up what it would take to trade up to #7 to get him. I still have faith in Tanny and Rex (unlike some on this board) and fully support any personnel moves they make. If they feel he's worth it then I accept that. If he busts then we are going to have an insane shitstorm on our hands (esp on this board). I'd rather stay put and roll the dice on someone dropping so we could better fill holes in our O-line and WR but I'm cool with it if Tanny is.
Are u guys crazy. Trading up for this guy would be smart. He a fucking beast and will be the next great pass rusher. Go get him
No, Ingram is not that dominant of a pass rusher. He's a skilled player and has potential but he's no sure thing by any means. Let's not be unrealistic here.
Say what you want about Tanny's evaluating ability, his inability to handle depth issues, or his pension for bringing the circus to town. One thing you can't knock the guy for: He's a pretty good liar. The fact that this is even out there makes me feel better. We're staying right where we are.
I would trade Tebow for the Jags 7th overall pick. Maybe the Tebow trade was some genius move by Tanny that was done with the intention of trading up with Jax come draft day...
jeez, trading up is the last thing i want. every since vernon gholston, i have no trust in defensive ends/OLBs. we have too many holes to fill so trading down just seems like the logical answer. trade down lower into the draft and then I say we draft shea mcclellin in the first and then harrison smith in the 2nd. those two could really bolster our defense
You gotta admit if Tanny uses Tebow to get us Ingram from the Jags, the mans fucking Brilliant. Even something like Tebow our 1st and a 2nd, which really is still incredible value on our part. I mean we could always get lucky and have it be a 1st 3rd and Tebow, but the Jags would be getting raped pretty hard on that deal
Trading up for Melvin Ingram is the Jet's MO at this point. It worked once, for Darrelle Revis, and has been ineffective every other time the franchise tried a trade-up this decade. Does that mean we didn't get good players with the trade-ups at some other points? Of course not. It just means that good teams get good players just by exercising their picks. Removing value from the team by trading up is only defendable if you get a star out of the deal and the only star the Jets have drafted in the last decade after a trade-up is Darrelle Revis.
David Harris. Secondly, how many times do you think we have traded up (where it matters, in the top 3 rounds) since Tanny took over in 2006? 0 in 2006, we stood pat and got Brick and Mangold in the first round, got Kellen Clemens in the 2nd (yes we traded up for him, after we traded down first) and then Eric Smith/Schlegal in the 3rd. twice in 07 for Revis and Harris. I'd say that worked out quite well in 08 we stood pat at 6 and drafted Gholston. traded back into the end of the round for Keller, who was 6th in the NFL (for TE's) in receiving yards, just lead our team in receptions and yards, and was 2nd in TD's. Gholston is irrelevant. Keller on the other hand is a top 10 player at his position and is our QB's favorite target. I call that a success. in 09 we traded up for Sanchez for peanuts. I said it at the time, and I'll say it again now. If you have a chance to go get a franchise QB for peanuts, you do it every single time (unless you of course already have Peyton Manning or Tom Brady). Sanchez is still up in the air, but regardless of whether he ultimately succeeds or fails, the trade up was a fantastic move. Shonn Greene we moved up for in the 3rd round. His rookie season finished with a bang. Since then he has been complacent and performed nowhere near what his potential is. That said he still was our lead back a year ago, and ran for more than 1000 yards. You want to question one of Tanny's tradeups, this is the one. in 2010, we stood pat and took Wilson, and Ducasse. Ducasse was the blown pick that had it worked out, we would have been sitting pretty and not having this conversation. 2011 stood pat and took Wilkerson, who is already one of the top 10 players at his position in the league. In the third we took Kenrick Ellis. so far, 1 year into his development, he hasn't shown much. But he does have high potential. When Tanny has traded up in the early rounds, he has struck gold, outside of Shonn Greene. The problem is the last 2 drafts haven't produced immediate impact players for us.
Is a good player. Not worth the trade-up. He's what you hope to find with your own 2nd round picks not what you trade up to acquire. No, he didn't strike gold with David Harris, he just found a good player. He found a good player with Dustin Keller. He found a good player with Mark Sanchez. He hasn't found a star with anybody but Revis and that's what you trade up for. If you're trading up for good players then you wind up with poor depth and a lack of stars, which is where the Jets are right now.
I disagree You dont trade up only for stars. If youre talking giving up the entire draft, then yes you only do that for a star. But if youre talking giving up 2 picks, then as long as you get an above average player, whose gonna stick around for his career. Then you got pretty solid value imo
What the hell is your definition of star if Harris doesn't fit the bill? The guy is one of the top 4 players at his position in the league. and you aren't happy with the move. Which scenario do you like better? Jets trade up to 47 with Green bay for 63 and 89 Jets select David Harris. Green Bay selected Brandon Jackson (63) and Aaron Rouse (89). In other words, which team made out better? For kicks, these are the careers of the three players that were involved in the trade... Jackson is on his second team, and spent the last season on IR. He has just over 1300 yards and 7 TD's in his 5 year career. Rouse was out of the NFL before the end of the 2010 TC (3 teams, GB, NYG, and AZ), he spent 2 years in the UFL where the highlight of his football career came in the UFL championship game where he recorded 3 INT's and was named MVP. David Harris has 514 tackles, 19.5 sacks, 6 Int's 5 FF and 1 TD in his NFL career. Call me crazy, but I think the Jets made out better in that trade. I don't know what you need to see to qualify a guy as a star, but David Harris is it. Just because he doesn't have his face all over ESPN and NFLN doesn't mean he isn't one of the best players in the game. Just for shits and giggles, David Harris was voted the 45th best player in the NFL by the players on last years Top 100. Thats pretty damned impressive, since he was the 47th overall selection in his draft class.
