I will tend to agree with any Rex Ryan evaluation of a 3-4 defender. This isn't an Eric Mangini evaluation of Vernon Gholston...this is Rex Ryan, masterful mind of complex defense, and he knows what he likes in outside linebackers. If he sees a stud he can use as a 3-4 OLB, 4-3 DE, 4-6 DL, etc. then I'm all for getting him. He clearly likes Melvin over Courtney, otherwise this wouldn't be talked about right now and we'd take Upshaw at #16. Ingram is certainly the more explosive of the two, higher upside than Courtney. Von Miller Pro Day 3 cone drill: 6.88 seconds Melvin Ingram combine 3 cone: 6.83 seconds Nice burst to get around the corner for sure.
Melvin Ingram Michael Floyd Trent Richardson those are the 3 guys I want in the 1st, I wont settle for anyone else maybe David DeCastro and Nick Perry if you seen that SportsScience segment you see that Ingram has the tools of a complete 3-4 OLB, something that is 1) hard to come by and 2)something we lack
3 guys, 2 of them theres about a 90% chance of going in the top 10, and the other one is less than 50 50 on if he makes it to us. But youre willing to add in a 4th guy who probably wont be there. Guess youre gonna be hard to please.
No not at all. Saying Harris wasn't worth trading up for is trolling without an explanation. Either you're trolling or don't have a clue. Please offer us your intelligent insight why you believe Harris wasn't worth trading up for in Rd 2?? Random stupid comments will not be tolerated in the draft forum, there's too much of that garbage in the main forum.
I don't believe that Ingram is a top ten pick. I like him as a player, but the Jets are wrong if they give up a lot for him. I really question if Mr T. understands value. -X-
+1 Since Rex has been HC, the 1st rd picks have made total sense. The Jets traded up for their "franchise QB'. Both Wilson and MoWilk were tremendous values and BPA. I don't see the Jet's trading up for Ingram, IMO, it's an internet rumor. 100% agree, Ingram is overvalued in the top 10, if he falls to #16 it's a no brainer.
I don't want Ingram because I don't view him as someone who can consistently beat NFL tackles. I think he's a great athlete but the fact that his arms are so small and his torso is so small means that he will get eaten up by NFL tackles. They played him at defense tackle because the guards were much smaller then him and he could get his hands on them. I really don't know what his position will be in the NFL. I also don't seem him having the size to play the run in the Jets defense. If someone can present me a video of Ingram actually using his hands to beat a college tackle I would love to see it. If he can't beat tackles in the SEC, he's not beating tackles in the NFL. No thanks
There really is no consensus top 10 picks in this draft. There is a pretty clear top 6, then the next 20-25 are pretty fluid. Ingram is certainly in the mix as a top 10 talent or he can drop as far as the Jets at 16. I don't ever remember a draft like this before, it is very deep but from about 7-25 the talent is about the same.
That's kind of the thing about it. Ingram is so many things, but he's a scary player because he doesn't really fit anywhere. People talk about versatility, but it's a foolish word to use as a positive if that versatility isn't based on a dominance in any one aspect. That's great that he can play a few different spots fairly well because of athleticism, but I'd rather look for a guy in Rd 1 that can be dominant at one position. People like to say he's so much like Adalius Thomas, and that might be true, but the Ravens got him in the 6th round. Ultimately he only really had a few really good years, and fell off the map when he was separated from the rest of that studly Baltimore LB corps. They needed to pay all four of their guys at one point, and they went with Suggs and Lewis. I just don't see why the Jets would spend a #1 on the other guy, and not try to find THE guy.
I love how you post this like Tanny has already traded his whole draft up to #5 for Ingram. Might want to work on your verb tense there.
+1 Ingram doesn't have great overall tools and he is going to suffer at the hands of NFL tackles who will have 5+ inches of reach on him. You can't use your hands to get around somebody when you can't get your hands on them reliably and that's where he's going to be. He also isn't going to be able to get his hands up when he's stale-mated to narrow the QB's throwing lanes. We're starting to see people talk about Ingram as an ILB or even a MLB. That's because his specific deficits aren't as big a deal inside and behind the line.
Short list and very likely all 3 of them are off the board (especially Richardson). Or do you mean if those 3 names are gone that you'd definitely trade down?
In many ways this is correct but here's where i differentiate. 1. With any other team,I agree that "ultimate versatility" can quickly become "square peg".If a team's scheme lacks creativity, & sticks to 1 or 2 base D's, Ingram likely isn't for you. However, I don't think Rex views players as conventional position options with the exception of perhaps DB's. From my perspective I think he looks at what a players strength's are, & the multitude of ways he can utilize them on gameday. That may mean a completely different role from week to week, even drive to drive. The more things you do well, & the more ways you can line-up, the more value rex sees. 2. He does alot of things well.Things that impact a game. Splitting double teams,collapsing the pocket, dropping in coverage.This isn't a one trick pony.Does he need to be moved around? yes he does..but he will definitely make a difference on gameday 3.I don't buy the Adalius Thomas comparison. Thomas was significantly more athletic but never had Ingram's playmaking ability, technique or intangibles. Really the only thing they have in common is versatility in the most generic of terms.
I'll return the favor and say yes, he can do these things, but I'm not seeing a #16 overall pick in what you described. He's not really a playmaker (he's actually really bad at the point of contact, largely because of his lack of flexibility/short arms), can disrupt things a bit but more likely than not on a secondary rush, can play inside but can't really do much from the outside, is and is hesitant when the play isn't easy to decipher. He is a solid player that can be very useful for the Jets, but if we're looking for impact guys, he's not it. I'd rather take a guy that offenses need to gameplan for than take a guy that we need to move around in order to make a difference.
I've been periodically checking mocks around the Internet, and a bunch have shown the jets taking Ingram at 16 and Carolina and the jaguars going else were.
You realize his arms are 1/2 an inch shorter then courtney upshaw, Woodly & Suggs, 3/4 an inch shorter then clay matthews. With the exception of Upshaw all of these guys are pro bowl caliber players and measured no more then a full inch longer arms. I'd say your point is flawed.
Watch him try to make tackles and then watch the other guys you mentioned. Tell me that he isn't lacking in something when it comes to wrapping up ballcarriers. I didn't say solely arm length, but it's coupled with a lack of body flexibility. In the same way watch him try to turn the corner, there's very little sudden movement, it's all measured steps. If he tries to dip his body he loses his balance. In addition, you listed a bunch of violent hitters in Woodley, Suggs, and Matthews, which Ingram is not. The point isn't flawed at all, it might not affect the other players, but it's clear it affects him.
