I think there are still some quality players out there for us to pick up and fill our holes in freeagency. Braylon can be had as our number two, and rt can be found late in the draft to compete with hunter and ducasse. That leaves us with a fs to find a real gem in the draft which is a task but can be done in the third round, plus signing a veteran like bell would sure up the position. All areas of needs are not premium positions such as lt or corner but are ones that could be found late in round one in later years or later in the draft. We are in good position looking towards the future except for olb. I know some people like depth on a team but i think that is built through many years of success you need a core of solid players, and without a passrusher your core is weak. If tanny and the rest of the front office believe ingram is that core player we need as our pass rusher im all for it. With our corners and a serious passrushing threat our defense could go from number 5 against the pass to dominating the league in a hurry. I agree with quality over quantity until you have years of success and a complete core of players.
If you consider 14-2 and 13-3 seasons, winning the division every year and going to the Super Bowl last year "barely successful" you are rooting for the wrong team.
Records and trading down in the draft have nothing to do with eachother. Go ahead and look at there recent trade downs , they've been about 20% successful.
Man, Ingram is one of my absolute favorite prospects in this draft. I don't understand why so many think he is "over-rated", I would love an explanation. He is good enough at #16 but not good enough in between 8 -15? That doesn't make any sense to me when I look at this draft. After the top 6-7 clear cut players are off the board in this draft, it really is kind of a toss up at that point, so I don't see why he doesn't fit in the 8 - 15 range?
I love M Ingram but I'm firmly against trading up. We need all our picks and we need to get at least 4 guys out of this draft that can contribute next season in some way.
He's a great value at 16 and would be my choice if available. IMO, he's a bit overrated at #8. The talk of people not wanting Ingram at #16 is crazy. I'm certain Ingram's the pick if he falls to the Jets.
Jets like this guy, jets trading up for that guy, jets think they need to trade down as much as possible. It's all smoke & mirrors. As for Ingram..I'm so sick of the inept pass rush, that if this is what it takes to get the problem fixed, go for it.
Gotta love sports science. If nothing else, you have to agree he is an athlete, like almost no one else in the draft.
i really hope,one way or another,they come away with a game changing player.i don't care what side of the ball he plays on.just get one guy that keeps the opposing coordinator up at night.and i don't care if they have to do the "ditka" to get it.
I agree. Something I’ve noticed today after watching some more tape is that Im not sure if Ingram can CONSISTENTLY bring pressure whiled up over a tackle. He’s really a strange player. But I DO like him a lot as a Jet, primarily because of Rex and how versatile his defenses can be. I think while moving Ingram around, he can be extremely effective, but I dont think he will be able to just line up over a tackle and pressure the QB like D Ware, Aldon Smith, Suggs, ect. Rex could move him all over the line and the front 7 and have fun with a type of player like Ingram and I think thats where his value comes from. I dont think he will excel as a 4-3 end that will be consistently lined up facing a tackle- he tends to get tied up a lot (partly due to short arms) and might struggle at first in the run game. Because of this, I really dont think a 4-3 team like the Jags, Panthers, Seahawks ect should take him. If they reach on him, then oh well, nothing we can do but move on and acknowledge that they reached on a player not suited for their defense and of good value. His tackling needs to be refined because one thing I noticed was that he missed a decent amount of tackles (probably couldve had at least 5 more sacks throughout the season). I love his athleticism and how he can drop into coverage; I think he could instantly help in that aspect on 3rd down. He could help our defense year 1 by playing in passing situations and hopefully being brought along like Aldon Smith was. I really like Ingram at 16 and on the Jets, but I dont think his value holds true in the top 10 when we would have to give up so much. Aldon Smith is a player that was taken in the range that this trade up is being talked about, and Smith was an elite prospect that fit the mold of the great passrusher that CAN consistently beat a tackle. He deserved the 7th overall pick. Ingram doesnt fit that mold (even though Rex’s mold is somewhat undefined) of an elite prospect that deserves such a high pick...
I just hope we don't take Upshaw. I think he will be Bryan Thomas 2.0 a nothing player who would never get a sniff of a QB on a sack. Better to trade down but if Ingram slips and we have seen better players slip the Jets will probably take him. We need an OLB can finally get the stench of Vernon Gholston on out of our minds.
That is your opinion and you're entitled to it. I think its a very apt comparison because Ingram is indeed a one trick pony, can't get seperation one on one and disappears for long stretches. In fact, I think Gholston was the better college player. People talk about Ingrams versatility are delusional. Yes, he lined up as a DT, with two other DE's and stunted every time he did. I'm so glad he took a direct snap against UGA and ran for a TD on a fake punt, but he is not a game changer. He never dominated any OT as Gholston did Long when OSU played UM. Without a dominant bookend, I think Ingram is earmarked as this years hugest BUST! With a Mario Williams on the other side, Ingram will become an average player. No arms, no torso and no room for growth...PASS!!!
If you can accept the fact he's not a conventional 3-4 olb & more of a week-to-week game day specific defensive starter..what's not to like? Sure he has short arms. But he also has elite burst & hand technique. Best set of hands coming out in a LONG time. Above all else he is a football player. He's high character, displays leadership & speaks about nothing but hard work. He does alot of things well.If he's not disengaging blocks he's pushing the pocket and/or containing the outside. He has a chance to be special if he gets in with the right team & a creative defensive coordinator. With that said, he'll be a complete waste as a 4-3 DE
