Definitely fired, I believe IA is launching an investigation from what the mayor said, so i would expect at the minimum an immediate suspension with a firing at the end of the investigation but this should have went to trial and allow a jury to decide.
I don't think you'll find many who don't believe this should have gone to trial. We have police specifically tasked to seeking out cigarette salesmen because the taxes are so high. That's retarded. This guy died, in part, because of that. Granted it was his own decision to break the law and resist ( I do think he did ) ... my guess is he would have been doing something else illegal to make money if this option wasn't out there but WTF.
he already resisted and they have to assume if they let up he will continue to do so. you don't get to resist then officers take you down and it's over. you put the officers safety at stake and they have the right to use force at that point.
Yeah NYC ciggs tax is insane, we have task forces out here in the Bronx dedicated to seeking out loosie spots and fining/shutting down the store, curious to know which part of the video did you see actual resisting?
Totally true. Its usually white liberals that make up the most of those protests . You could tell them they are protesting Dominoes delivery shutting down on Xmas eve and they would still be little pains in the ass and lay in the street all to be "a part of something".
If you don't mind sharing, what do you do for a living? I vehemently disagree with your notion that the problem is white people. Some people (color irrelevant) respond poorly in stressful situations, and someone who has the power and role of a police officer who can not handle the stress should not have that role to begin with. To answer this, as well as your question on who polices the police, that answer should be the police and the government officials who determine the police leadership. I imagine if there is any failure here, it is in training and failure to identify that this officer would apply an inappropriate amount of force when performing a takedown. I don't literally know his motives, but I don't typically imagine many people take the time to complement race relations when doing something such as performing a takedown. There is absolutely nothing to suggest this was racially motivated. So the real issue here is whether the NYPD, and other police organizations are doing the best they possibly can do to ensure that training and personnel policies don't allow this sort of thing to happen. These stories make me sad on two fronts, one because the loss of life is tragic no matter the race, but also because things like this incite racist flames even when racism is not the issue, beyond the context politically motivated people like to create for themselves to further their own ideas.
There's a huge problem with police policing police. I say it over and over again - as long as the "blue wall" exists good cops will be judged the same as bad cops. They continually cover for each other and that is why there is so little trust from many people.
I don't have the time to read the entire thread. I'll just suggest anyone interested in a well-reasoned essay should read this Leonard Pitts column. He makes his point perfectly. And I'm an old white guy who'd never think of arguing with a cop- I worked as a civilian aide in a Queens precinct 40 years ago and saw what happened to people who did. http://www.courier-journal.com/stor...pitts-understanding-white-privilege/19881049/
This is not true. I said before,every time there is a resister,there is the same old cry outs "Cuffs too tight""I cant breathe" "youre hurting me im gonna sue". If they let up,usually the guy wiggles his way out of arrest again. Cops aren't mid readers and cant tell the capability of each person they encounter. So if someone starts some shit they will get met with aggression. Its a tragedy that this one time,the resister was not lying when he said he cant breathe. Taking a man down is not as easy as people think,a lot of times the multiple cops are needed
I respect your opinion but still think excessive force was used on a man who made no attempt to push the police off of him.
I think the point he is making is because of the size of Garner if they let up the force they are trained to expect that Garner might be able to overpower them if they let up. Therefore they don't have a choice but to keep using force to hold him down. I tend to think it was excessive and the community should be upset and this is the case that should have been used in the media not some punk who committed a felony and then tried to take an officers weapon.
Well reasoned perhaps, but it still sounds like typical liberal rhetoric. It's funny how this "white privilege" argument has become so much more popular lately. I suddenly hear it everywhere, and yet three or four years ago it was never spoken about. Where has it been since the Civil Rights battle was won 50 years ago? It seems that the liberal excuse well has run dry. Every single measure put in place by liberals to "help" the poor black community has failed miserably, so now the reason poor blacks can't succeed in America must be because of my skin color. Just priceless. I don't deny that White Privilege exists in certain situations. Just as I'm sure Black Privilege, or Hispanic Privilege exists in others. People will always have perceptions. It's called being human. Perhaps Mr. Pitt can explain to me why my White Privilege only hinders blacks from getting ahead, but not Indians, or Hispanics, or Asians, Middle Easterners, Samoans, or ANY other group who has no trouble prospering under this system. Maybe he should ask himself WHY perceptions are what they are in this country. People don't conjure perceptions out of thin air. If he's unhappy with the assumptions placed on black people by American society, he may have a valid point ... But he needs to point the finger in a different direction. Why is it that Asian men are seldom perceived as a violent threat? Could it be its because they commit almost no violent crime? Maybe he should read the words of Jesse Jackson, who sadly admitted .... “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”
More importantly why has this "white privilege" not helped me get ahead in life? I'll be paying back student loans until I am 70 it seems like. Maybe it's because I'm Catholic I'm being held back.
