And now for something different... Zach appreciation thread...

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  1. The_Darksider

    The_Darksider Well-Known Member

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    Whether it does to you or not is extremely debatable. Lol
     
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    LOL, Let's get a win tonight! Go Jets!
     
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    The_Darksider Well-Known Member

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    Something we all can agree on!
     
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    This is why we're all here.
    I was 10 when the Jets won SB3. Me, my brothers and dad whooped it up for a good hour after that game.
    The happiness and joy in that little 10 year old knucklehead is something I hope all of you folks get to experience someday soon.
    Go Jets!
     
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    You're talking about the time-out instead of the 10 sec runoff right? Fucking brutal decision.
     
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    Indeed I am. I have no idea what he was thinking keeping the time out when they were on the 20 yard line and leaving 10 extra seconds on the clock. He was never going to need the time out, and certainly didn't need the 10 seconds. Just awful.
     
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    Most head coaches could use an analytics guy standing right next to them in cases like this or 2-pt trys etc. The HC has enough going on without reasoning under stress--I really don't get how clubs spend millions on personnel but are too cheap to hire a graduate mathematics student or the like to advise on such things on game day.
     
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    They generally have quality control assistants and other positions that are available on their headsets for things like this. I don’t really get how teams fuck this up so much but as you said we’ve all also never stood on the sidelines trying to figure this out in real time.
     
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    I agree. In a lot of cases, it would certainly be helpful. This one was just clear logic, either give up the timeout and leave yourself 39 seconds to go 20 yards, or keep the time out and leave 49 seconds on the clock for no good reason. I know there's a lot going on, but his only concern that late in the game in those circumstances should exactly those types of decisions. Nothing else needs to be determined, thought about, or prepared for at that juncture.
     
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    Ya--but all these guys also have other jobs that may interfere with their abililty to reason in addition to not being trained specifically or having the mathematical acuity to come to rapid high expected value decisions.

    A dedicated person whose focus is exclusively on decision making on penalty, trys, etc would be of value imo. In the Bowles case, surely such a person would have advised to run the clock down and pocket the TO. As it stands Tbay lost a game due to a lack of expertise--we've seen it too often with Saleh too and many coaches.
     
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    It wasn't what I would consider pure logic since there was no deductive certainty that can be reached. Rather, given the universe of possibilities, the decision with the highest utility was to let the clock run.
     
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    Where's Dick Curl when you need him?
     
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    Haha I mean this in the most complimentary way but those are some fancy words that I don't understand from the perspective of how they are applied to the situation, and I'm pretty positive Todd Bowles wouldn't understand them either. From my standpoint, it's a simple choice, and one is far better than the other.
     
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    Harbaugh (Baltimore) does have a nerd standing right next to him on game day for every game


    I think the biggest issue is timing, decisions need to be made quickly or in advance, they don’t really have time to break down the numbers.

    They could certainly do better though, the divide between the jocks and the nerds is a lot higher in football. In baseball, with most orgs, if you don’t work well with the analytics team you don’t have a job— and that includes coaches AND players
     
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    Ya--agree--one decision would work out in many more cases than the other. Thats what I said lol.
     
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    You're right and by far not the worst poster here and not even close--I'm called dumb by the same types for thinking trying to trade for Josh Dobbs was a good idea. Now thats a dummy--not because he's wrong but because he thinks he's utterly right.
     
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    Now that you've said it like a human instead of a Vulcan, I understand.
     
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    I basically suck at messageboarding lol--trying to learn tho lol
     
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    yeah of course, you criticize Wilson or offer an alternative and his cult hates you
     
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    so funny numbers fact about that. he's in the top 10 all time in NFL history on 4th down passer rating and he leads the NFL in 4th quarter comeback wins this season.
     
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