My statement was based on how Chad played against Pitt in that game and how our defense/special teams played. Put a guy like Cutler in place of Chad and we can move the ball on offense and probably win. I don't think anyone but Dolphins players and coaches figured a season like that. Some of them probably didn't see that coming. Prior to Cutler potentially being available I was all for sticking with the guys on our roster. They have years in the same system, a solid o-line, running game and hopefully a very good defense. It seems like a ripe situation for an inexperienced guy to come in and succeed. If not now, then when? Your point about his mental question marks is the only one that worries me about Cutler. It's hard for me to really judge what is going on there without knowing what's really happening behind closed doors. I've read articles where people are suggesting Cutler wanted out as soon as Shannahan and the OC left and that his agent is using this to make him look like the victim and get him out of there. No one knows what's really going on here. It's a strange situation, that's for sure. From listening to his press conferences he sounded fairly intelligent, but maybe he is some kind of nut case, I don't know.
Broncos are scared shitless Stick to your guns Cutler They are screwed for 2009 and they will be desperate Cutler will refuse to play and the Broncos might have to look at a QB for themselves And since Cutler wants to leave, it is in the Broncos best interest to get it done Cutler regardless will never take another snap for Denver, so they don't have much to bargain with
Yes, but Cutler is under contract to play, no? I'm not sure any contract allows for a guy to get a paycheck if he declares, "I'm pissed about the rumor of a trade and therefore I'm not playing." The team then has the leverage to say, "Okay, fine, but neither are we paying."
Put a healthy 2008 Chad in place of the 2004 Chad with a torn rotator cuff in his throwing shoulder and we can also probably move the ball better and maybe win the game. You have to compare apples to apples, how would Cutler fare with the same injury and circumstances? Would he even suit up? Nobody knows. It's all about what we'd have to give up, just like with Favre. I was against that too, until it became only a conditional draft pick, to me that's the issue. I don't want to trade Leon or any ridiculous package for a guy whose hype right now outweighs his resume on the field. I'm not disputing his potential upside or the fact that he's a better bet than Clemens or Ratliff, but how much are we willing to gamble on that?
The whole rotator cuff excuse is BS to me. It didn't stop him from winning in SD the week before and hitting the legendary bomb to Moss. Let's face it, he doesn't have much of a history against top D's anyway. I agree. I think #17 + Clemens + a conditional (1-3 pick) next year based on Clemens' play is fair. Who knows if that would get it done though.
True But it is time that some of these players tell these guys to take there money and shove it As a rappper once said Have more than one basket so you can never become a slave to the other
SD didn't have a top ranked D that was fast. The extra spilt seconds it took took off his velocity didn't show up as much against slower Ds but against a team like Pitt it did. case in point, the bomb to Moss against SD that worked and the one against Pitt that msised by a fingertip.
So what's the consensus here on when the Broncos pull the trigger on a trade (if they decide to go that route)? I figure they hold their cards close to their vest right up until the draft....and will unload him on draft day. Which sucks...because we'll probably see another 250 Cutler threads surface on this forum between now and the draft.
BS? A career threatening injury to the throwing shoulder of a QB? A lot of guys would have and could have sat out. Maybe if John Abraham approached the playoffs the same way we might have won, too. Chad risked his career and gets the blame for losing, even after getting us in position for two game winning kicks, and Abraham skates. Watch the TD to Moss again, Chad lifts his left arm to celebrate it, can't even lift the right arm. I was at the Jacksonville game when he got hurt the next year, even after the injury he hit Chrebet in the back of the end zone right in front of me with the game winning TD and Chrebet dropped it. He said he could make throws at random times but had little control or accuracy from one throw to the next. Hardly BS. Yeah, a lot depends on how bad the situation in Denver gets and what other offers come in between now and the draft. Just like Favre, for the right deal I'd be on board, but I certainly have reservations--did with Favre and I do now.
I'm not saying the guy didn't put a lot on the line or didn't have balls for playing. He sure did. But you make it sound like when he's healthy he can attack top defenses. He has consistently been completely smothered by top defenses his entire career regardless of whether or not he was injured. I'm done discussing Chad in this thread.
If we get him I hope you're right. He's not an O-lineman who can hide in the woodwork, he'll get the A-Rod treatment as a QB after a bad loss. If a rumored trade has him this upset, I have my doubts.
Easier said than done, I think. You've really got to want to cut off your own nose to spite your face. But Cutler seems like he's got the potential to be that kind of guy, at least so far. If he continues to push this thing, the Broncos will make a business decision, that being, we've got to move on and go with someone else, so let's get whatever we can for him right now and get on with getting somebody else. But the bigger question is, if he does that to Denver, how sure can we be that he won't be doing that to us sometime down the road? Yeah, he could probably help us win, so that's always why teams make decisions to bring in a malcontent like Buffalo did with TO, but it makes you wonder where you're going with a guy like that who's willing to be irrational and cut off his own nose.
Top defenses are top defenses because they can stop people. Peyton Manning has been shut down by them in the playoffs a number of times too, it happens to 11 of the best 12 QBs every season. Chad has also gone into Foxboro and beaten Belichick's teams a few times as well. Cutler I'm sure will have his moments but is also not above getting stopped by a top defense in the playoffs if he ever gets there.
What If????????? I LOVE THOMAS JONES BUT what would u think about trading him and a second and another pick for jay cutler.... we would still have our 1st round pick to get another RB to split carriers with leon
that would be great.. cutler at QB and then either moreno or beenie at running back with leon.. BUT.. denver isnt going to trade cutler without getting a QB in return.. and even though TJ is coming off a great season.. denver really doesnt have a huge use for him... that why there were rumors of a three way deal including cleveland cause then the browns could send quinn to denver.. but thats not going to happen.. looks like we'll be headin into the season with a fresh QB...
Man Great idea, I think you are onto something. You should get some really great and thorough answers being you are the first guy to think of a trade for Jay Cutler thread.
I would do it in a heart beat. Problem is that Jones 31 year old RB does not have the enough value to make this trade happen. It would still take our number 1 pick and some to get Cutler....IMO
