All this talk about Cutler...

Hell, Dan Marino was so full of himself he cost himself at least 1 ring.

 

I thought your point was that he hadn't won? Manning won fewer games in '01 with more points. The 29th ranked D is going to kill you.

The examples of Warner and Manning later in there careers is tough because you're talking about guys with a lot of experience. I think the comparison of a young Manning and Cutler is more relevant - especially considering the broncos went through 87 running backs last season.

You make a good point about the points in general. The point is to score and I overlooked that. I assumed the offense would be ranked by points scored by default. Why use yards as the default?

 

I don't buy that for a minute.

 

Dude - First off I appreciate Joe Willie for delivering the Jets to the Superbowl, his contribution to pro football is immense he was what he was but in no way shape or form was he ever close to be the greatest QB of all time or anything like that (of course one will never know waht could have been because he was dameged goods before he made it to the pros) - Secondly please do not compare Joe Willie to Cutler, not only is it disrespectful to Namath it is unfair to Cutler.

Football is aTEAM game that is why it matters if the QB is so full of himself or not. You want to win then you don't want Cutler quit fooling yourself, Cutler will win you some games with his arm alone and he will lose you almost as many with his arm alone. We are building a defensive run oriented football team, we are not going to win the SB next year. I would rather wait a season for the right fit at QB to lead theis team comes around than rush into the best available QB who is the wrong fit that will saddle this organization for the next 5 years.

 

Can't buy that. Denver was 5 & 2 in games that the opposition didn't score at least 30 points. They were 3 & 6 in games the opposition scored over 30 points.

Cutler threw 10TD's and had 4 INT's in the 4th quarter in games Denver was within 7 points either way. In games that were tied he had 7TD's and 1INT and he had 5TD's and 7 INTs in games they were behind by 9 to 16 points.

He is clutch and he plays for a bad defensive team which means your throwing alot in bad situations.

Vinny T was an interception machine until he had a good running attack and a D that put him in position to take what was needed not force the situation. Bad defensive teams put QB's in a position of forcing the football. I would expect us to have a D and a coaching staff that would not need to gamble but would be able to go over the top in the context of a ball control O and D. That's a very good situation for a strong armed accurate QB.

 

King says the Bucs or the Jets will get him regardless of the cost if Denver puts him on the market..his thought is it will be the Jets.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/03/17/mail/index.html?eref=T1

 

They can deny it all they want, but they got schooled in the Vilma deal. I won't say he got taken in the Favre deal, but it was a terrible trade.

 

In '02 in Chad's 1st year our D was 24th in the NFL and he led us to a division title.

In '01 Brady's 1st year as a starter the Pats were 24th in D.

carson Palmer's 2nd full year the bengal D was ranked 28th and he led them toa div title.

I can go on and on.

 

I felt that way at first because I had my hopes up for the 2nd pick from the Saints, but you can look at the deal a number of ways, depending on how you want to portray the trade.

As far as I am concwerned, if Vilma was really worth a 2nd round pick, he never would have made it to FA without a contract from the Saints. If he had done things worthy of that pick in 2008, other teams would have been throwing money at him at 12:01am February 27th.

He had a decent year, worthy of a 3rd round pick in today's market.

 

Those rankings are based on yards Allowed. Points allowed it tells a little different story (NE was 6th in pts allowed in 2001, NYJ was 14th in pts allowed in 2002 and while Cincy gave up a lot points in 2005 they also forced a ton of turnovers that year).

 

I'm using the #s he was using. There are still plenty of examples of QBs having poor PA D's and still mkaing the playoffs. He also doesn't help his D's w/ his TOs.

 

If Farve does not fade in the last month, that trade looks much better. It gave the Jets thier best qb in a long time eveb if it was only for one year. Total cost in the end was a 3rd. Not a great trade, but not awful.

The Vilma deal was not as bad as it seems. You had a good ILB, who best asset is his mobility, comming off knee surgery, in a contract year. We got a 4th, then swaped a 4th for a third a year later for him. All in all not a bad deal for damaged goods in a contract year.

The Jones and Jenkins deals both look great.

I'm still trying to find one where I got "we got F'n screwed there" under Tanny.

 

Lets also add that Denver had no running game. Didn't 15 different RB's start for them? haha.

 

You still cannot just discount the terrible defense. The QB needs help from the rest of the team. The Broncos were 8-5 going into week 13 and they gave up 112 points in the last 3 weeks of the season when they needed 1 lousy win to get in. That's 37 points a game.

 

People around here like to talk about how Boomer pushed for the Jets to get Clemens. Now he is saying give up everything they have to get Cutler..even he smartened up.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03182009/sports/jets/boomer__jets_gotta_go_jay_walkin_160143.htm

"I'm telling you, if I could get this kid, I would go guns a-blazing and try to get him," Esiason said.

"I don't know what it would take, but he's a kid that can play here for the next 10 years. This is not Brett Favre, a one-year Band-Aid. This is a totally different story.

"This is a kid who, if he does get traded - which I think is going to happen - you're getting him . . . smack dab in midst of his prime.

"He's not going to get any better than he will be in the next five or six years."

"I know [Jet GM] Mike Tannenbaum, by virtue of the fact that he brought Brett Favre here, I guarantee you he is absolutely all over this, 100 percent," Esiason said.

 

Yeah, I agree with your Tannenbaum statement. There's not a GM around that hasn't made a bad deal or two. I like him as a GM thus far. My gut tells me the Farve fiasco was more Woody than Tannenbaum. As far as Favre fading, if that was an anomoly I would agree, but it was pretty much a given for him during the latter part of his career.

 

Of course there is. It just doesn't happen all that often. And I agree that Cutler doesn't help the team with his INTs.

 

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