do you think they sold their soul for that 2 year window? with the type of guys they brought in and the 1 year deals and the blatant dismissal of quite a few really key 2nd tier players? the pr situation just makes everything 10 times worse. i think things would be alot less volatile if it werent for the whole everyone can say whatever they want mentality and bravado that has been displayed in the past.
why? remember hermie said, you play to win the game.... that should be everyones standard whether they win every year like alabama or they lose every year like vanderbilt. i see no reason why any team would have a different standard than any other.
your right there is no reason to compare him to tomlin or bellichick, just like there is no comparing him to joe walton. peoples reasoning for keeping him around cant be that he has been better than bruce coslet. it has to be things like you pointed out. i could see it going either way, i could see them keeping everyone involved and trying to add some pieces to fool themselves into thinking they could make a run at the sb next year in metlife. i could also see tanny going because of his terrible job putting talent on the field, rex going because of his apparent total lack of control. its really all up to the guy that scares me the most... woody johnson, he has been quick with the trigger in the past but has also at times been willing to let things go up and down in mediocrity.
you have the same ultimate goal, but you have to have a realistic perspective of the quality of your team and how close or far they are from achieving that goal. you think a team that goes 1-15 the year before is the same quality as a team that goes 15-1, and thus both teams should view themselves identically? of course not, but that is the corner you paint yourself in when you say every team should view the performance of their seasons identically if they don't win the Super Bowl. a team that wins 3 games one year and 11 games the next is going to look at that 11 wins differently than a team that wins 14 games one year and only 11 the next. if you can't tell the difference between those two hypothetical teams and think everything is even than you have a severe lack of perspective.
sure you will, but if you are then happy just to win 11 games and fall back to winning 8 or 7 you cant go and say hey we won 11 games and we have won more than 3 every year and be proud of yourself for 5 years. even the 1-15 colts have to have the goal of winning the superbowl and they may not win it this year but they sure arent settling for 4 wins just because they only won 1 last year. they were once a down trodden franchise like the jets, they hadnt won anything in years and years. and they changed their attitude and became a winner, now they have fallen back but are right back on the horse possibly getting into the playoffs.
Agreed, people barely remember who lost in the superbowl and only the most football geekworthy remember who lost in the conference championship. Being divisional champion is like being the 4th runner up in a beauty pageant.
The questions isn't direct enough. Does it matter to how the teams performs this week, no. Does it matter to how the Jets approached their offseasons following it, yes. Does it influnece how Sanchez and Rex are going to perform this week, no. Does it show you Rex and Sanchez can be a successful combination, yes.
again, nobody is saying you are happy just to win 11 games and not win the Super Bowl. but perspective tells you whether an 11 win season is a failure or success, and that is dependent upon more than simply just those 11 wins in isolation or whether those 11 wins are in conjunction with a Super Bowl championship. and you have zero credibility or authority to claim that the Colts turned their franchise around simply because of change of attitude. you don't know what their attitude was before or after. what we know is that they drafted a franchise QB and built around him, which has nothing to do with attitude. and they look like they have done it again. beyond that, your celebration of the Colts getting back on the horse and getting into the playoffs contradicts your own point -- who cares about making the playoffs if success can only be judged by winning the Super Bowl?
I think if you have a rookie QB you can't expect a Super Bowl. Id say 2009 was a complete success, it is the equivelant to winning the Super Bowl because we had a rookie QB at the helm. 2010 the goal was to finish, the QB was no longer a rookie. I know its difficult for sophmores to go all the way, but Ben did in 2004. I cant call 2010 a success because we did not really build on 2009. I also believe that the 2009 team was BETTER than the 2010 team. The 2009 team had a better defense and better run game, just not a better record. Ask yourselves though, how many rookie QBs have made the Super Bowl? 0. Only Shaun King, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, and Mark Sanchez have made championship games as rookies.
Different teams have different standards and expectations. Granted the Jets didn't win the Super Bowl either year but I enjoyed the wins in San Diego and New England, enjoyed most of the first half of the Indy afc title game and was on edge during the 2nd half of the steeler game when they started to rally. Granted I would've loved to see them build on those runs and take the next step but for a team with minimal playoff success in my lifetime I enjoyed seeing them play well in the playoffs. My expectations for the jets aren't as high as they are for the lakers where losing in the conference finals would be a shitty disappointing season to me. The ultimate goal of every team in every sport is to win the championship but different teams have different expectations. Some teams hang banners for division titles, wild card playoff series wins in baseball, and conference champs, while some teams only hang championship banners. In that sense while they all share the same big ultimate goal, some organizations are happy with successes that don't result in a title while some only acknowledge championships.
Parcell's took us to the AFCCG too! I am in the same boat. 1986 was my first real season as a fan of the jets because i hated the way the giants acted in there SB win. They had coke heads and wife beaters on that team. I felt bad for the jets and hoped to see them win one in my lifetime. I did not know it was gonna be 26 years and counting!
my point is its a losers mentality to celebrate a game that nobody really cares about as if it was the greatest win ever. of course every year you have different expectations, nobody in football is going to feel like its superbowl or broke year in and year out. of course it was fun, of course it was a fun year winning 11 regular season games and having a number of nail biter 4th quarter wins. i just hate to see people hanging their hats on getting to the afc championship game and accepting what has turned into mediocrity, really worse than mediocrity when you add in all the extra shit simply because we made it to the afc cg 2 and 3 years ago.
Time to strap it on and go beat the Fkng Jags. 9-7 and we have a decent shot at making the tournament - anything can happen.
Sorry to beat a dead horse... but what is the Jets record with Braylon Edwards, and what is it without? Moving forward Braylon obviously is not the answer, but someone who can provide what he provided in his two years is.
No, it's like economics. Naturally, frictionally, there are going to be up and down years. Because lets put it into context. Rookie QB, rookie HC. Our defense and running game brought us there. Now..... Kris Jenkins retired, Shaun Ellis.. You know, Bart Scott retired and some older slower guy started wearing his jersey. That pretty much was the nucleus of our defense. Lets not forget this year our very best player was carted off when we were two one. Wanna pretend that doesn't play a part? Thomas Jones is gone. Ladanian Tomlinson is gone. Im not looking it up, but I'd bet they were responsible for pretty hefty percentages of our offense. Lets also not forget Braylon Edwards, Jericho Cotchery, and even Plax. If you have a young struggling QB, and he is struggling and that's on him, but still he'd be doing better if he had the lineup he had in 09. Who here has taken macroecon 101? Right now this is frictional. Down years due to factors beyond Rex Ryan's control. If it continues if it's cyclical then changes need to be made. But come on dude... The best players on this team besides Revis, Cro, and Harris. Are fuckin rookies and sophmores. You knok... Give them some time
