Honestly, I don't know what you're even arguing about right now. The main point is that you think int's are a more important indicator of the value of a CB, while I believe it is coverage. Apparently you just don't think Revis is that good. Or just not good by your interceptio-based CB standards. My question about KJ was a analogical, not causal. I was just wondering if you would consider KJ a flop if he didn't put up "big stats" (ie. sacks), for a defensive lineman. In reality, he is there it occupy blockers, something that doesn't show up on the stat sheets. Casey Hampton made a pro bowl with bad stats, just because his contribution to the team, while immeasurable by current nfl standards, was invaluable. I am not sure anymore if you are just trying to say that Revis is overrated, or that interceptions are the end all-be all in evaluating a CB. Either way I disagree...and my previous posts will tell you why. Again, it really comes down to flash vs. production...and again, I'll take production every day of the week.
1. Kris Jenkins is going to be a 3-4 NT. Wilfork, Hampton, and Williams have 6 between them over the past 3 seasons. Why would you expect sacks from him anyway? 2. Your second paragraph doesn't even make sense. We all want turnovers, but like the extremist you are the only good players are Pro Bowlers and flashy guys that most fans will recognize if they hear his name. Revis may not have had 10 INTs last year, but he covered TO, Edwards, and Moss better than most as a rookie. 3. I really want to know who taught you football. The conclusions and logic you use is just unbelievably flawed.
"So that's a key. Our FO --who BTW are not traditionalists by any means that bring in Australian rules players and Andrew Woolfolk types -- had a non-traditional way of constructing their board this year. Gholston at the top was a no brainer when it occurred. But what to do after the massive drop off?" Ok, I read your input, now let me give mine. You seem to have concluded that Andre Woolfolk(not Andrew), will not be a positive pick for the Jets...... Since the worthless Titans Fans consider Andre a bust, they will be the team that feels the wrath of Karma, when the Jets and Titans lock horns in November. This will be no sympathy move, because when the upcoming OTAs arrive and when camp actually arrives. Andre will show he is worthy of the Green and White uniform he is wearing and that he deserves to wear it on the opposite side of the field as Revis... Then the Titans treachary will be exposed, but from Andre all you will hear is his play on the field and upstanding lifestyle off field... From a voice such as mine, the sports world will know...
I was basically agreeing with you. Great cornerbacks generally make interceptions even if QBs tend to avoid throwing near them. Bad cornerbacks like Bartee tend to not make interceptions.
"Originally Posted by Raiderjoe View Post YOu will see jamarcus Russell In October , abusing Revis and jets secondary all day long." Now for me, I look forward to seing Jamarcus Russell ON HIS ASS in October, with about six interceptions to his credit by the end of the day...
Top 20 Interceptors Paul Krause 81 Emlen Tunnell 79 Rod Woodson 71 Dick Lane 68 Ken Riley 65 Ronnie Lott 63 Dave Brown 62 Dick LeBeau 62 Emmitt Thomas 58 Mel Blount 57 Bobby Boyd 57 Eugene Robinson 57 Johnny Robinson 57 Everson Walls 57 Lem Barney 56 Pat Fischer 56 Aeneas Williams 54 Eric Allen 54 Willie Brown 54 Darrell Green 54 Hall of Famers in bold
a couple of those players will be soon and a couple should be HOFers... and i don't even know all of them on that list.
Woodson will be a Hall of Famer. Williams could be a Hall of Famer, but is certainly not a 1st ballot guy. Allen has a very outside shot. Johnny Robinson has been a finalist for the Hall of Fame. Ken Riley is probably the most underrated player on that list. Bobby Boyd's final game was Super Bowl 3.
I don't care who else is up for HOF, Woodson should be a first ballot guy. As a cornerback he made the NFL all 75 year squad. He may have done even more at the safety position than he did as a corner. Definitely one of the best DBs ever.
While I'm at it, here are the postseason leaders in interceptions... 9- Bill Simpson, 11 games 9- Ronnie Lott, 20 games 9- Charlie Waters, 25 games 8- Lester Hayes, 13 games 7- Dennis Thurman, 14 games 7- Willie Brown, 17 games Brown returned three of those seven picks for touchdowns (50-yard return vs Miami in 1970, 54-yard return vs Pittsburgh in 1973, and 75-yard return vs Minnesota in 1976). He is one of only five players in league history who scored at least two regular season touchdowns, but scored as many or more touchdowns in postseason play. (When I first saw this trivia question I figured out the four retired players in a half hour, but couldn't get the active player!)
DeAngelo Hall talks too much about how good he is for a DB. If you're confident in your abilities, you don't crow about it, you just show up and it's obvious. DeAngelo Hall has to build himself up over and over so he can go out there. Just because he may be fast doesn't make him a decent defender. Also, his mouth gets a little extra effort out of every WR that has to listen to his guff, off the field and on the field. DeAngelo Hall makes things too tough for himself and it will bite him in the ass as long as he wags his tongue without responsibility.
