I like Carriker I think he would be a great fit for our 3-4.I would take him with our first round pick if Lynch and Bush aren't there.
He's now ranked in the top 20 on the sportsline draft board. If we want him we may have to use our first pick.
Make that 2 months ago by yours truly: http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?p=331370#post331370 10-24-2006, 10:32 AM #9 legler82 TheGangGreen.com Regular "Well put! That being said Alan Branch would still be a very good draft pick for us because in our 3-4 defense he would play RDE. IMO, I consider that position our biggest need on defense; the position is currently being held by Kimo Von "Old " Hoffen, who's the absolute worst. I figure Robertson will be gone next year and like you mentioned the NT position handled by the platoon of Moore, Tui and Pouha in no specific order. Other possibilites for RDE would be Frank Okam, Red Bryant and my personal favorite Adam Carriker."
The big board ranked him without underclass players. I can see he will be there with our first round.
If he's not I think that Brandon Mebane offers similar attributes and perhaps better value. Here are a couple of links. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/brandonmebane.html http://www.draftboardinsider.com/position/DT/mebane-b.html
I think so, particularly in the 3-4. He is the same size as Carriker, slightly slower in the 40. However, he is known for his quickness as a DT and has top intangibles. Seems like a good project if Carriker is gone.
I think so too. The best 3-4 DE are usually athletic DTs. You really wouldn't want a pure pass rushing DE on the 3-4. 3-4 tends to work a little opposite of teh 4-3. The DL usually the ones help stop, or contain, the run. LBs in the 3-4 are usually the ones racking up the sacks and rushing the passer. A really gifted DE in the 3-4 could do some what of both. Look at Richard Seymour, 6-6 310lbs. THATs how you would like your DEs built. Not like Rice or Strahan or Brown who are 6'3-'5 260ish.
Interesting that several people's "ideal drafts" include both a DE and an OLB, whoever the player is. Where does that leave Bryan Thomas and his new contract extension, in your minds?
I think the issue is that the Jets have had really no pass rush without blitzing. Apparently Bryan Thomas, although he has played very well this season, lacks the ability to get to the QB consistently (this also might be from him not being sent often, not really sure, haven't been watching for this specifically). If we are able to acquire a guy that can get to the QB without having to send seven / eight guys, this will make the defense better. I think the best way to accomplish this is to draft both a DE and an OLB pass rusher. The DE will help to contain the run and keep lineman off of the LBs. The OLB will supply the pass rush and make plays. Also, this will help BT make plays on the opposite side. Now for the unpopular question / issue that I have been pondering for the past couple sof weeks. Please don't take this as an attack, its really just to provoke some debate. Is Jon Vilma really needed in the MLB spot. Assuming we are able to get two playmakers at OLB we really need some run stoppers in the middle. Maybe Vima can be moved to one of the OLB spots and use his speed. Maybe we can trade him for a first round pick. Just wondering what people's thoughts are....
Right, but the question is of money, not playing time or utility. If you're going to pay R1 money to, say, Carriker and R2 money to, say, Spencer, why on earth did you just agree to pay so many millions to Bryan Thomas over five years? That's an expensive backup and/or mentor. Seems to me that would be a collosally stupid move on Tangini's part.
Robertson is our bookend to Ellis at DE if he is still here next year. We need to focus on a mammoth DT.
Keep in mind there are two sides to the defense. A dominant 3-4 like the Chargers needs two OLBs who can get to the passer. That way the offense can move the tight end over to help.
With DRob's improved play, Carriker looks like a perfect fit here.... Kimo and Hamilton are ooooold. There really isn't a first round 3-4 NT in this draft as far as I can tell, and lets not forget how much better Pouha was looking at NT before he went out for the year. I think the biggest needs on D are at DE and CB, and the best CB's will be very picked over by the time the Jets pick. I think that leaves us with a O lineman at 2.5 with the Skins pick.... and Carriker in the first round. People talking about a OLB/DE hybrid.... Hobson/Barton have played pretty well as situational pass rushers. Thomas is here to stay, and seems to have found his niche. We have reasonable depth at LB..... I think Carriker will go in the first round, maybe even before we pick. A 6-6 300 pound DE that can pass rush..... yeah, sign me up for that.
Amobi Okoye is being pegged as a potential perfect fit at NT due to his squat stature, strength and youth. (Just ask Jabba). He is quickly shooting up the draft boards and will probably be gone by our pick. I agree with you though that DE is perhaps a bigger need for us at this point and wouldn't mind taking Carriker early but I think we could find some good value at the position in the 2nd or 3rd. I guess we will have to see who falls to us though.
I really doubt it. The kid is amazing but he is bound to show some immaturity or some other flaw at that age. Not to mention that he's not the best DT comming out either.
Maybe he is not a "beast" but from everything that I've read and seen he seems to be able to abosorb double teams which makes him perfect for the 3-4 DT. But a Pouha, Tui, Moore rotation at DT might allow D-Rob to move to DE. And D-Rob seems to be a great fit there. So maybe OLB is the way to go in the 1st.
