Seriously, who cares??? That has absolutely no bearing on who would be a better NFL QB. Vince Young was the most physically dominating player on the field that day. There is no question about that. USC's defense couldn't stop him. HOWEVER... -Young has never played in a pro-style offense in his life. -He won't be able to play that junk-style offense in the pros. -He has shown no propensity to actually read defenses...in college he looked at his first option - if he was open, he passed; if he was covered, he ran. -NFL defensive players are the cream of the crop and will not be intimidated nor dominated by his physical play. -If he scrambles like that in the pros, he will get killed. -Talk about armstrength??? The guy never threw the ball further than 20 yards down field. -His throwing motion is a disaster. -Wonderlic??? 16 or 6??? So if you think he is ready for the NFL, go for it. This guy has got bust written all over him. If the Jets don't get Leinert, we can only hope that Al Davis has drunk the cool-aid and is willing to trade up for Young at #4!!!
Something about taking a QB that high scares the living crap outa me. So many "sure fire" 1st round QBs have turned out to be crap.
Just because Leinart said he wanted to play in NY, every idiot sportswriter thinks that means the Jets are targeting him. What have the Jets done that would cause anyone to assume this? They worked out all 3 QBs. They talked to Brick. Considering none of these oh-so knowlegdable sportswriter even had the slightest clue that the Abe trade was about to go through, or that even Denver was involved; I am supposed to believe they know what the Jets are planning for the draft which is a month away? Yeah right...
Rothlisberger had an absolutely atrocious SB game against Seattle. He made a game changing play that Lienart couldn't make if his life depended on it and it turned the game. You could be absolutely right about both Lienart and Young. You see a weak armed QB who can?t make a decision in Young. I see an incredible athlete who has great instinct and a superior will and competive spirit that reminds me of Michael Jordan. He might be over matched in the NFL? I look at Leinart I see a guy who was surrounded by incredible talent who is a very polished touch passer who will be an average to above average NFL QB. If you surround him with great talent he might be good enough to get you a SB, if you don't he isn't going to be able to make plays to beat the elite defensive teams we will face in the playoffs.
If you go by what the front office has said since taking over the team, it would seem more likely that the Jets would hold the picks and draft quality players...multiple. Im so on the fence on this one, I cant take it. Reading through these threads and trying to put in a post what a tricky decision this is...well...this is a tough one. Look at it this way. Matt Leinart can be a great QB for the Jets for years to come. He comes from an almost pro system and would almost be ready to take over on day one (which I understand wouldnt happen...but it could). On the downside..if...IF...Leinart turns into even a semi-bust....and just turns into a top 10-15 QB in the NFL...this draft would turn this franchise back a couple of years...years that Mangini and Tannenbaum dont have. For a franchise that has some nice talent...but has so many holes to fill...you would be left with your first pick being in the 2nd round of the draft...instead of being able to pick 3 of the top 35 kids in the country. Its easy to say that Leinart will be great...but lets remember, he has the best front line....the best running BACKS...the best receivers....and was outshined by a scrambling QB that did to USC what USC should have been able to do to them. He played in a conference that plays less d...and more o. Will Leinart be great? possibly...well...even probably. Want to risk the future of the Jets on probably? Theres a chance that one of the 3 picks we have to open the draft will be great...one will be good...and one might be average or a bust. Whenever I talk about Leinart with friends...I always ask them "Remember that pass against Notre Dame in the final minute...that lob that fell into the hands when the ND defender never saw it". They respond yes...what a great pass. I dont. That pass would have been picked in the NFL. The only reason Im pointing out one play is that be weary of great QB's that guide monster teams in college. All you have to do is look at QB's that have come out of Florida, Florida State Miami..etc. If Matt Leinart isnt great....the Jets will be screwed for years to come. That what makes this so tough.
klecko73, excellent posts. I agree completely. Im really tired of everyone nit-picking and trying to find faults with Leinart. Seriously, the guy is damn good, accept it! He would have been a sure-fire no. 1 overall had he come in last year. So Texas and Vince Young beat USC in the Championship game, wow that was one loss for the kid in the past 3 years or so, and not only that, it wasnt like Leinart even lost that game, how about if the defense made a freakin stop once in awhile, or if everyones golden boy Reggie Bush didnt "lateral" the ball in beautiful field postition. Leinart has all the qualities needed to be a franchise QB, but there are people who want to do what the Jets always do and pass on a dead hit, (Marino ring a bell?) by finding really minor faults, and drafting someone less proven.
Ramsey has one year left on the contract, we are not going to extend it. If Chad cannot go this season, Ramsey plays while Leinart or Cutler sits on the bench for a season and is groomed. I feel that the Ramsey signing makes us drafting a QB a lock. Chad will eventually become a backup, if not this season, then next, which is sad. I am not saying this is what i want, just strongly feel that this is how it will be.
I understand the complaints about Leinart being surrounded by talent, but how can you fault the guy for that? If he's on Vanderbilt maybe he's the one that has everyone saying if he had talent around him he would've won a Heisman. I think at this point its nitpicking. Guy wins a Heisman, two national championships and did everything he could to win a 3rd. Remember Texas' defense was considered very good, DB like Huff will be a top 15 pick, and yet USC still put up points on the board.
Exactly ... and this is what scares this hell outa me about taking Leinart, Young or Cutler early in the draft ... let alone trading up for one. I would much prefer to make sure we have our Oline situation figured out .... our D-Line figured out ... depth overall figured out. And worry about QB next year.
This is the only guy I want to trade up for... He has the intangibles, he is the guy I would love to build around...Franchise Quarterback.
Something about passing on a Qb scares the crap out of me. If Leinart becomes the Qb he is capable of becoming, trading the 29 pick in a draft will be a steal. You take that kind of chance when the upside is so high..
Agreed. See..thats the thing with some guys around here...if you say you are skeptical about drafting Leinart...they just presume you think Young or Cutler would be better. Im not saying that at all. 1st round draft choice QB's just scare the hell out of me. For every top 10 QB that was drafted and became great..I will give you 2 or 3 that didnt. Now, the arguement back is that every position can be a bust....true...but to give up mulitple picks to get potential is just not the way to go. All Im saying is that if the Jets draft Leinart...and he just becomes a nice QB in the NFL...NOT A TRUE BUST...just OK...that trade to do this would set this team back at least a couple of years....a couple of years that Mangini/Tannenbaum just dont have.
Originally Posted by winstonbiggs If you swapped QB's in the National Championship game who would have won? Must we forget that USC would've won if knuckle head Bush doesn't throw the ball to Texas on the worst play of the entire game by any player. I'd rather have Leinart throwing for the JETS then Young running around like a chicken with his head chopped off.
I'm saying in this draft man. I never thought Dewayne was going to be a stud. Didn't the front office know that he had NO Cartilidge in his knee when they drafted him! Why are you giving up two first rounders for a guy with injury problems? Granted anyone could potentially be a bust but someone with injury history already is a red flag, and Leinart has past shoulder problems, and that scares me. That's all i'm trying to say here.
History tells us that only one QB out of Leinart, Young and Cutler will play above average ball in the NFL. So Leinart has approx. a 33% chance of being that guy. All I keep reading is "IF he becomes" ... "he has the potential" .... funny part is I have read the same about Cutler and Young. Again our FO might decide the risk is worth it ... but again they might not. And I am damn sure they don't give a rats ass what you or I think on the matter. If we do grab Leinart or either of the other two .... I will be praying with all my might that he will be the greatest QB ever to play the game. Its just that I have seen so many QBs with "potential" that were called "sure fire" picks just plain become average or worse in the NFL.
we have no bigger worry than at quaterback......enough of this already...we have no qb!!!!! its the most important position in football period!!!and dont gimme the nonsense about you need an offensive line firast...thats retarded....get the damn qb when hes available and then put an offensive line together....im on the leinart bandwagon....get him now if you can
very true and well said..however how many busts at other positions have you seen as well? tony manderich kijana carter.....so its always a risk....but id rather take the risk on a qb than a rb or o-lineman because the payoff is greater
We have so many needs that I don't really think we should trade up. We do have some cap space, but in free agency, we're getting good, servicable players, which I understand. But to really rebuild this team the way Mangini wants, we will have to do a lot of drafting. I don't really know if I want Brick, Williams, or a QB with No. 4.
