A few things that I feel good about

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  1. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    There's a big difference between being in the NFL for a while, paying your dues and getting an opportunity while being respected as a man than being "highly respected," presumably as a great football coach. I haven't seen the Parcells and Ariens quotes to which you refer - maybe they'd change my mind but it seems to me that a guy who was that highly respected wouldn't be in his second year leading at his age
     
  2. Walt White

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    Ariens got the HC job when he was 60. There's nothing written in stone about ages and timelines. The guys respected in the NFL as a player, as a coach, and as a man. He's a SB Champion. And he's paid his dues up the ranks of staffs just like everybody else.
     
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    Your saying so does not make it true. It may be or may not be but I don't see what you and the guy who made the claim are seeing to make you believe that way. Maybe you guys are getting carried away and maybe I'm not giving credit where credit's due but the fact that Bowles played on a Super Bowl winning team is far from an endorsement as a good coach. Great coaches have never played the game and Hall of Famers don't all make even acceptable coaches.
     
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    One thing I felt about tod was he is a little to layed back and I wondered if that was why the team seemed to play without the fire , so when I heard he hired green as linebacker coach I felt it was just what this team needed. From what I hear Morton is also a high energy guy. I know this doesn't make them good coaches, but I feel this is the type of coaches this team needs. I also feel young players will play with more intensity than older players. I have a different feeling since we got younger and are not loaded with these clady, Revis, fitzpatric type of players....old and expensive. I also feel that woody has every intention of letting mac & tod stick around for at least another year. I don't think he expects a lot of wins this year, from what he said it seems like he is buying in on the rebuilding process, something he never did before. But like everyone else he wants to see progress & potential. Hopefully our young, inexpensive, energetic players can show enough potential to give us hope for the future. It is going to be a interesting year with all these new guys & coaches on the team. I am not going to judge this year by Wins & losses but by potential.
     
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    Being a good head coach doesn't happen over night. See bill Belichek for example. I believe He coached Cleveland for a few years and got canned after 2 or 3 years. Pete Carroll etc. Tell me one head coach who started off great, and I will show ten who didn't.
     
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  6. Jeti

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    You hate him we get it, he's highly respected around the league period. Watch an interview about him.
     
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    No. I don't hate him; I can be critical of him without hating. That's the argument of someone who has nothing to say. Why do you guys continue to make claims about how respected he is without backing them up? Interviews? Do you expect anyone in the league to say the guy is no good? That just doesn't happen in that club. What has he done to be "highly respected? I still haven't seen anyone answer that question.
     
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    Nobody knows before hand whether a coach will be successful or not. But they get a shot because they earned it. Parcells and Belichick were close to being ridden out of town on a rail while they were learning on the job. Parcells with the Giants and Belichick with the Browns. Bill Fucking Walsh was criticized when he first started. The notion that Bowles didn't earn and gain respect within the NFL and among his peers is nonsense.
     
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    He's highly respected period. Deal with it. I dont know what your issue is.
     
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    The issue is quite simple. No one is "highly respected" simply because a few guys on an internet forum say he is. Such effusive praise should be easy enough for one of you guys to cite, if only it existed.
     
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    Just because he has respect, doesn't mean he's a good coach, or capable of being a good HC.
     
  12. Walt White

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    Of course. Didn't say otherwise. I thought that was understood.
     
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    The culture is changing .. I really like that Macaggnan is not only adding the talent but positive Alpha males into that lockeroom. The coaches expectations become their expectations and then some! Vocally demanding 150% and backing it up on the field, add that to those that are leading by example and you have a solid foundation to build on. Players just punching the clock and expecting a paycheck will get checked .. expectations rise, competition increases, outputs increase. When the chemistry gels and the majority of the talent is added via the draft .. a homegrown feel of togetherness is achieved .. we can have something special.
     
  14. Jeti

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    Like I said watch an interview when he gets brought up. Listen to how coaches he played and coached under speak on him. Listen to how his players, current and former, speak of him

    What the hell is so hard about that?
     
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    Coaches need to grow just like players. But yeah this fan base wants to kick him to the curb and hire another rookie coach and kick him to the curb when isn't Belichick from the jump.
     
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    He might be Belichick....Belichick form the Browns. What he's shown so far is a guy who doesn't prepare his team well, who doesn't make good in-game adjustments, allowed players to disrespect him and the team rules, stuck with veterans that obviously weren't playing hard - these aren't things that take experience to figure out. I think he's just overmatched. When you have to be responsible for an entire team, not just a portion of it, it's a whole different ball game. I'm going to be looking to see if he an correct these issues, and if he can, great, maybe he can become a good coach. But if he doesn't show improvement in these areas, he should be fired.
     
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    I've heard people defend Bowles with every breath he can muster. My guess is they will become like Geno-bots or Rex backers if we get off to a bad start.

    "WHAT IS HE SUPPOSED TO DO! HE HAS NO TALENT TO WORK WITH! IT'S NOT HIS FAULT."

    And on. An on. An on.
     
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  18. Ralebird

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    It's kind of customary when someone makes a claim that they back it up with a video, a link or at least a quote. None of the Bowles worshippers has done any such thing to support the "highly respected" claim.

    I have googled "Todd Blowes highly respected" and found nothing except a reference to a Jets thrashing at the hands of the Colts and how Blowes changed his response over a few days following the game. Perhaps you'd care to support your assertion?

    What the hell is so hard about that?
     
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  19. Jeti

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    Again you want instant success from everyone who steps into this organization. He's done some good and some bad, he's got room to grow and he's done something I really wanted and that was rebuild his coaching staff to develop the type of team he wants.
     
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    No, I don't want "instant success"...well I do, as do most people, but I know it ain't gonna happen. I DO want to see significant improvement in the areas I noted, and others. Failing that improvement after three years, he should be let go. Three years is hardly "instant".

    But honestly I hope he does succeed. I'm sick of the revolving door and "rinse and repeat" failures of this franchise. But for that same reason I don't want to waste more time on anyone who can't take them to the SB.
     

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