4th and 1, the Anatomy of a Play

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  1. Talisman

    Talisman Active Member

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    Welcome to Paul Johnson's Triple Option offense at Georgia Tech. Any Tech fan will tell you that it's an amazing offense, but you HAVE to have a QB who lives/breaths this stuff for it to be effective. There's 3~4 reads that must take place during the first 2 seconds of the play in order to figure out the best option, and it's usually an all or nothing outcome.

    I just don't think we're best served putting in the amount of time/effort required to execute a real T.O.O. I would rather they throw out of that formation a significant (read: > 0.001%) of the time.

    There is something to be said for catching the defense off guard by running in that situation 99/100 times, and that 100th time you pass and get a touchdown, but that's still a poor percentage of big plays. I'd think you'd accomplish the same thing (catching the D off guard) if you threw much more often, as the defense truly would never know what to expect, and on average I think you'd gain more yards than we are right now since the D couldn't sell out one way or the other.
     
  2. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    "TJ, run our play"

    what the fuck happened to that? That "play" always works in short yardage.

    Cutesy bullshit. I'm so sick and fucking tired of it.

    The play could have worked, but I personally want the QB under center with an I formation and the run game ready to smack the defense like a bitch and get 3 feet for a 1st down... you know, Rex Ryan football.
     
  3. rmagedon

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    I was just gonna post this. If the whole purpose was to get 1 measly yard, why not come out in the formation we hit San Diego with last year in the Playoffs to win the game (in this case, to get a 1st down)? Put your best, against our best and try to stop us. Wildcat (or whatever it's now called)? Really?
     
  4. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    That's the "run our play" example.

    I just don't get what the fucking problem is. And EVERY time the Jets put Brad Smith behind center, 11 defensive players know its a run.

    Make him throw it once every 4 games and teams will stay honest.

    I can't stand the offensive philosophy anymore.
     
  5. realgreenz

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    it's counterproductive to have brad smith hold the ball and run it straight up the gut every time we do a wildcat. There is no deception, the defense knows what's coming. He either needs to throw it or run an option play, something to get the defense thinking
     
  6. concussion80

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    This wildcat bullshit is NOT for short yardage. It's to break big plays when the defense least expects it. The reason it worked early in the season was because Smith was taking it off tackle or outside almost every time and either sweeping it or having a pitch man as an option. I have no idea why this play has been going up the middle.

    What happened to the good old I formation on 4/1? spread the WR's twins. It gives you SO many more options than this crap. I really am beginning to think Schotty is borderline retarded or just stubbornly holding on to some magical mystery idea of an offense that simply isn't working.

    We have a great D! We can beat the Steelers if we get back to basics!!!
     
  7. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    The problem wasn't the play call.
     
  8. concussion80

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    Of course it was, Sanchez wasn't on the field. Brad Smith had NO intention of throwing it. It was one dimensional and doomed to fail.
     
  9. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    try reading the entire thread.
     
  10. NDmick

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    no it was the execution of the call. But I'm personally sick of these types of calls.

    I want the higher success play. The LT dive has gotten 1st downs all year. That's the one I wanted to see.
     
  11. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I have no problem with the play call that should give us either a good shot at the 1st down or a good shot at a huge play in a 1 score game where the offense couldn't do jack shit. The defense aligned in a manner that opened the huge play option, but Brad Smith didn't read it correctly. At least that's how it appears.

    If they aligned differently you'd expect D'Brick to block Wake which would have likely given us the 1 yard required.
     
  12. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    I've been saying for weeks that Pittsburgh is the team that I want to see Smith throw the ball against. Hope they're overaggressive and don't expect it at all.
     
  13. AbdulSalam

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    Why would you put in a play on a 4/1 in a critical 1 score game where you put your 1st rd QB on the sidelines and rely on brad smith to make the correct read?
     
  14. concussion80

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    Thats my issue with it. 4th and 1, thats a horrific call. And it was no read option. Smith never even hinted at taking at down the line/outside with a pitch man.
     
  15. WhiteShoeWillis

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    Probably because he trusted Brad to make the right read. Probably because he figured the defense would sell out the way they did, the big play would be there, and Brad's athleticism would allow him to beat Wake on the edge and pitch it. If he did it was probably a TD - one that we sorely needed.
     
  16. WhiteShoeWillis

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    Well then explain why D'Brick bypasses Wake for the safety?
     
  17. concussion80

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    Who gives a crap what D'Brick did? The guy with the ball didn't do anything, that's why he should not be running critical 4th and 1 plays. Bad play call, period. Why didn't he attempt to run out like a sweep if this was designed to do so? Why didn't he roll out a little to pass? You think he just piled into middle because it was a "potentially" good play call?
     
  18. WhiteShoeWillis

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    Because D'Brick left the DE unblocked for a reason. If the play call was a straight dive up the middle with no option, there's no reason for D'Brick to go out and get the safety and leave a DE completely unblocked. That would be retarded.
     
  19. theBidet

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    i get the point behind the thread, and don't get me wrong.... there's a ton of information in here that i didn't think of. but i'm on the side that it was a bad call. now i understand your argument, wsw, that if smith reads it right, potentially big play. but like other's have said, i don't agree with taking the ball out of mark's hands on a 4th and 1 in a one score game. i think it is on schotty, bc this is the type of cutesy bullshit that he tries to get away with, albeit with various success/failure along the way. i don't think its any bias towards simth on my part, i know in the past i've been anti brad smith... i was wrong. if it is me being biased its against schotty.
     
  20. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I think it's a valid complaint. Personally I don't mind taking a risk in that situation if the reward is a huge play. The only risk was that the players make the right decision, and apparently that was too much to ask.

    Obviously it would have been much safer to line up in the I and pound it down there throat.
     

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