They have the same needs on defense- front 7 players. They'll go DE at 17, and grab someone really good. They'll probably go OLB at 28 and grab Houston. Or they trade down again and have 25 picks in the first 3 rounds next year. We can only hope they miss on their picks and those players suck.
I'm alittle late to the party this year due to limited internet access..but what do you guys think of Dontay Moch? He's currently thought of a 3rd or 4th rounder, but surely will shoot up after running a 4.4 at Indy and could post even faster at his pro day based on what I've been reading. He's only 6'1 245 and would need to put on at least 10 lbs to play in Rex's scheme..but he was extremely productive at Nevada and I think he has one of the main skillset's that Rex looks for in a stand up rush guy: Closing speed. When Rex told Jason Taylor that he'd have 10-15 sacks in his scheme, that was based on the assumption that he still had the elite closing speed that he disaplyed throughout most of his career. This is also the same reason why Rex loves to blitz DB's. If you have closing speed, and can use your hands to beat an guy one on one, Rex's scheme will find a way to make you extremely successful. Terell Suggs is another example of this. I've watched some film on Moch(albeit limited) and I see a guy w/ a quick first step who knows how to accelerate into the backfield and make plays.Given his upside due to the fact that he has not physically peaked, and the college production to compliment the speed and natural skills...he seems like a Rex Ryan pass rusher to me. Mr. Electric,GH, WW85 and others...am I wrong? What's the consensus on this guy?
Hey Kurt...Welcome back. I can't speak for others, but Moch is incredible, the guy is a beast and one of the quickest first steps I've ever seen. No denying Moch's production. Like I say alot..."buyer beware", but in Rd 2 or 3 there is less risk than when we invested a #6 pick on our former workout warrior. 2009 WAC defensive player of the year. I just don't know where Moch fits...it's a dilemma. All that 4.1/4.2 hype was off the charts months ago. IMO, he's really only a pass rush threat and has no coverage skills and his size/strenght is a concern. You also have to take into consideration he played in the WAC and didn't face top tier O-lineman. I'm not trying to bad mouth the WAC, but IMO, he might not have been as productive in the SEC/Big Ten. Also, I believe Moch didn't lift at the combine....to me that's a redflag. I could see a team drafting Moch in Round 2 and take a chance on this kid. IMO, he may put on a little weight and stay at DE.....in a Dumervil role (he's not as small as Elvis), or a poor man's Freeney. Just my evaluation, I'm certain others might disagree. Rex likes bigger OLBs and concerns about workout warrior could influence the Jet's decision.
Yeah wanted to include in my initial post that after the Gholston fiasco that we maybe gun shy to take a workout warrior...although Moch's production is quite impressive. As for the small school argument, that's a good point as well, however I read somewhere he had a very good game against Missouri and may have flashed in acouple other games against bcs competition. Like you, I love his first step as well as his closing speed. I believe that not only are those huge factors for being a good pass rusher in general, but are even more crucial in rex's scheme. I'm not all that concerned about his size or coverage ability.. b/c A. I think he can put on some weight and B. Rex's scheme has enough diversity and flexibility wherein his shortcomings could be covered up. I guess we'll have to wait to see how his pro day goes and if he can put up 225 18+ times...Assuming he's around in the 3rd round, and we havent already addressed this need...he maybe a no brainer.
I don't consider Nevada a small school, just the lack of Top O-Lineman was very limited. I think coverage has to be a concern, he's really never shown or had the opportunity. If the Jets go with Rahim Moore, Wilkerson or Heyward in rd 1...Moch could be an option in Rd 3 if available. Right now, I think we need to look at a 3-4 OLB in Rd 1.....it get's real thin after the end of rd 1 and the top of rd 2.
Dontay Moch is a major project. In our scheme, he wouldn't be versatile at all. He won't be affective in four man fronts. It's going to be very, very hard for him to disengage blockers - I just have a feeling he's going to get taking out of tons of plays by linemen. He won't be able to move inside at all, because I think he'll have a difficult time shedding blocks. He's got little-to-no coverage skills. Taking a player like this is a huge gamble. The kid's definitely a physical freak with amazing speed for a player his size, but I wouldn't want to spend a draft pick on him until after the third round.
I'm starting to warm up to Justin Houston...he could be the speed rushing OLB this team has been lacking for awhile. link excerpt from the article...regarding Houston's Pro Day 40 time
I still think he'll be at the end of round 1. I wanna know his 10 yard split. Fuck his 40. I still love Books Reed because he's been measured to have the explosion of a offensive skill position player and he is an angry white dude with flowing blond hair - the norm for a pass rusher nowadays.
Rotoworld states he ran a 1.62 10 yard spilt, not bad at all. Also says Chad Reuter is comparing him to Vernon Gholston. ( Dumbass statement)
I stumbled upon a pretty interesting late round project at OLB, but due to the upcoming Mock, I want to keep it in the bag. While his stats weren't off the charts, his athletic ability is. He's the 2nd strongest player on his team and carries the best 10 yard split too. He displayed the ability to play multiple positions at his Pro Day and had Academic honors every year. Downsides are that he has had some lingering injuries dating back to 2006, but only cost him 1 year which he redshirted anyway. He may also have problems holding up against the run, so he may only be looked at as situational player/backup at best. I liken him to Green Bay's Frank Zombo, but stronger and faster, yet less productive on the collegiate level...
With Houston, I could easily see Rex falling in love with the guy, he clearly has some pass rushing prowess with his 10 sacks last year. He had 18.5 tackles for a loss as well. Couple that with his size, Rex could easily see Houston as the next Jason Taylor type. Throw in the fact that Houston has experience standing up in Georgia's 3-4 last year and I find it hard to believe he isnt on our radar...
I'm still on the Brooks Reed train....I was just saying that I wouldn't be throwing a chair thru a window if the Jets decided to draft Houston either.
Reed is my favorite too. I don't think Houston is going to be available, he had a great pro-day yesterday.
You'd be surprised how much he stood up, and not in a good way. 95% of the time he was on the ground, the other 5% he rushed off the ground, but rarely dropped into coverage. It's a misnomer...
True, but even so any experience standing up is better than having none. Also as a rookie, I seriously doubt Houston (or any other 3-4 OLB) will be asked to cover much by Rex. It will pretty much be, go get the QB. Hopefully that works out better for us than Gholston did...
With OLBs how much agility they have to run an arc is much more important than what their base straight line speed is. With Gholston (among a myriads of other things) this was a very big problem... he could run straight pretty fast for a guy his size but he couldn't bend for shit. It would be nice to find the time to take a look at the combine drill where they do that drill (where they don't just run straight) but I don't think they're timed. That said this isn't a critique to Houston... I have no idea how well he runs an arc...
ok fair point, i had forgotten about Ayers. But thats simply because I think he will be a top 20 picks, and falls no later than 25. I just have him crossed off my list as a possibilty, even though I probably shouldn't.
At this point with all my knowledge down for this years crop of players, When it comes to Pass Rushers in the 3-4 the guy i want more then the rest is Brooks Reed. Kid's a beast, Explosive and has that motor that won't quit. From most mocks so far it looks like he might be there when we pick @ #30. Never know though, Some douche team might snatch him earlier.
