Rodgers had a long stretch last year where he was getting rid of the ball in under 2 seconds (because he had to). That helped all our OL to look better than they are. We’ve had a ton of pressure up the middle. If you think that’s because of AVT and Simpson, not Tippman, I can go along with that somewhat. Especially AVT, who is a shell of himself thanks to the gross misuse of him by Saleh and Co. But a Center isn’t only about his own blocking, it’s also how he calls the assignments at the line. I’ve seen enough poor play from our OL being out of position and the pressure up the middle to start considering Tippman was part of the issue. I wanted Dalman honestly, but Myers is a decent fallback. I hope they both have to compete for the position.
could be a coaching thing in that aspect. Consensus is Tippmann is a good center…knowing more of the nuances of the position will help as he continues to grow as a player.
My issue with Tippmann is the snapping, very erratic. With his size and inability to get off a good shotgun/pistol snap consistently, maybe he should be moved to guard. Which I guess could explain the Myers acquisition. Idk. Maybe you move Tippman to RG, Vera-Tucker to RT and Myers snaps the ball? Then you have some flexibility in the draft to not have to select a RT early on. I'm just trying to make sense of it all
AVT is not a tackle. I firmly believe trying to move him to OT in the first place is why he’s been injured. A Guard faces his man head on and controls him in a phone booth. All AVT’s strength is designed for that. Moving him to OT meant he had to try and block the quickest defenders in the league while moving laterally. It places a different type of strain on the joints and ligaments. I think you draft a RT early, there are so many starting caliber OT’s in this upcoming draft. Myers and Tippman should compete for the C position, and the loser of that competition should also compete with AVT for the RG position. Everyone on the OL should be on notice, be on top of your game or be replaced.
Again, going by the numbers which match the eye test over a three year sample size, Myers is not good. So we're downgrading at center to hope that two guys playing off their natural positions can fill holes? No matter how you slice it, it's bad. I'd much rather keep Tippmann and AVT at positions they've already proven to be good at and take a shot on someone at RT on day 2. Or hope the quitter from New England decides he wants to play football again.
By no means is Tippmann perfect but he's absolutely upper echelon and like you said, coaching could be an issue here considering we were employing one of the only coaches I've ever seen actively get called a terrible OL coach by his former players while he was still coaching.
Does it matter? The results are bad. And this is mostly based off the messaging from a few weeks ago. You can't confidently proclaim you're here to "Win now" and then whiff this badly. Whether it's lack of effort or people not wanting to take our money. What we're doing is what teams tearing it down to the studs do: Let talent walk, don't bring in proven talent, hope you can find diamonds in the rough. You can't send the message they tried to send and then follow it up with what they've done so far. So again, whether it's the plan or severely overestimating how many people want to come play for Aaron Glenn, the results are bad so far.
Way too early to talk like that. They clearly are getting younger, and will continue to in the draft. After that, they will probably sign some more guys to fill whatever holes they have left.
We need to build depth, balance, and longevity. FA is one of the most overrated periods imo. Just need to fill out the roster with high character guys. For every JFM to the Broncos there are 5 Trumaine Johnsons it feels like.
This is March, not September. The team is still in flux. They have just began. But purging the cap drain hell JD left us with was step one. No surprises so far. We have won the free agency game every year under JD and was an absolute win now bust. History does not support your view.
Again... I get this... but when the messaging is "we're here to win now" you can't let guys like Echols walk, a young solid player, and replace him with a more expensive, worse player. That doesn't accomplish winning now or getting younger. Yes we have to wait and see, but forgive me for not having faith that a coaching staff full of people new at their roles can come in and fix a guy who was largely broken last year. History doesn't really matter here. I don't care about the splash signings. I never once expected us to make any, I didn't even WANT any unless it's a trade out of left field for someone like Olave or Aiyuk. We lost a ton of depth, we have a ton of holes, and we're banking on a bunch of low risk lottery tickets to "win now". It doesn't add up.
This is a very silly stance, man. I think they are doing a good job so far and I like the direction things are going already. It's probably best to see how it plays out on the field this upcoming season, regardless. Just a suggestion. Shit, the draft hasn't even happened yet, nor have we even made it a full week into free agency yet.
I feel like I've said "again" 15 times now but AGAIN... you can't come in here flapping your gums about how we're going to win now and then follow it up with letting talent walk with the replacements being low end lotto tickets and rookies that don't even exist yet.
Good coaching is a great equalizer. As last year showed us, established “win now” non “lotto tickets” talent doesn’t guarantee success either.
Wow we’re already at “flapping gums” rhetoric, a couple of games into free agency before any games have been played. This has to be a record.
I love the Aaron Glenn hire. He was my top choice and I think he's going to be great. That doesn't mean I'm going to throw all caution to the wind and say he can turn around this nobodies or straight up bad players into winners. This feels like a dramatic overreaction to what I said. Aaron Glenn said win now, we're proceeding to operate as a team that is undergoing a total rebuild. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's rain. You're acting like I want to fire everyone and move on to the next regime already. It's just more of the same. New candidate comes in, talks talks talks, and then produces no results. I'm obviously aware that you don't get results in March, but you do give people a good indicator of what the season is going to look like and it looks like another bad one.
Not sure what has happened in FA that suggests we’re not trying to win. You speak as though you know the win now formula and we’re not following it.
Letting talent walk and replacing them with lesser talent is not part of the formula I've ever seen work. AND AGAIN... I'm aware it's March. I'm aware we still have the draft. But letting talent walk and replacing them with lesser talent coupled with relying on rookie to fill TONS of holes is not part of a "win now" formula I've ever seen work.
