That's it for me too. He's gonna command a lot of money, but he's been a very good QB for three seasons now. Would they really let him walk and start all over with a rookie QB? Ultimately I'd be surprised if he leaves Washington
Yeah, I would be surprised myself, but he might tell them that he will refuse to sign the franchise tender or sign any new contract with them. I think under the rules they'd still have him one more year, but then he could walk.
LOL Well, I wouldn't exactly say "hell bent," but I don't want him. It's nothing personal against Cousins. If the Jets had been able to sign him 3 years ago, I'd have welcomed it. I even liked him in the draft and had some hopes that the Jets would draft him the year he came out. As frustrated as I've been with the losing and not being a playoff team, one might think that I'd welcome Cousins, but like some other posters, I want the Jets to complete the rebuild the right way, and have a real chance to win a SB, and not the shame eke into the playoffs and hope the team gets hot and on a roll. You know as well as I that if Bowles is back and they sign Cousins, the Jets probably will not draft a QB. They may draft an OL or two, a RB and maybe even a WR, but most of their picks and their higher picks will again go to D. They'll look to get an edge rusher, an ILB, a CB and an NT. They'll bring in older, more expensive FAs to go all in on the next couple of seasons, if for no other reason that that will be what Woody/Chris Johnson want/demand. The rebuild will be over, and it will be business as usual. The Jets won't win a SB with Bowles as HC, and in typical Jets fashion, in 2-3 Cousins will be done, the team will have a bunch of older, expensive vets, little young talent, and will be right back where they were 3 years ago.
I agree to a certain degree, but we don't know what side of the ball the first round pick will go to. Although recent history would indicate you're 100% correct, how many times are we going to draft defense. At some point we are going to have to look at the offensive side of the ball. If not, corner and edge have to be the focus. But who am I kidding, knowing the Jets they'll draft another d-lineman. On a serious note, I think Cousins is still young enough where you can win with him, and although we're still rebuilding, I think we've learned that our current roster certainly has a bunch of players who will be around for a considerate amount of time. Let's assume we get cousins, and then focus our free agency and draft on getting o-line, Running back, Edge, Corner, and re-signing ASJ & Enunwa, etc., we wouldn't be theoretically in the need of rebuilding - more so building on a core of good players. We have holes - no denying, but I don't want the thought of re-building or frankly building, deter the Jets from securing a talented QB. Prior re-builds that have been cut short were because expectations changed under false pretenses. When we tried to win with Fitzpatrick it was a dumb and short sighted move. If you sign Kirk Cousins, you're not building a foundation on fake talent because Fitz was fake talent. So is McCown. Two players who are almost identical in that they can win you games on Sunday's but if you're counting on them to consistently win for you and elevate you to the playoffs and beyond, it's not going to happen. Kirk Cousins is not Fitz, nor is he McCown. You can throw him in there at QB and not have to worry about him for another 5-6 years. While we can invest in o-line and corner, and edge, and playmakers. If the argument is we can't win with Bowles, well then you may have a case lol. I don't want him back, but unless we lose out, and do it in terrible fashion, I think Macc and Bowles will be coming back.
Interesting. How does that work with the post June 1? I thought his 2018 was fully guaranteed on the 3rd day of league year.. If the Jets have some sort of opt out, it may give the team some leverage to restructure to something more incentive laden.
If Cousins played for us for the next 8 seasons, he would only be McCown's age at that point, and McCown is still playing good football. So it's very reasonable to hope for a good 8 years or more out of Cousins if you keep him healthy. And 8 years is an eternity in the NFL. I can't understand the belief system some have on Cousins equating to a win immediately need. There would be a ton of time to build around him. I agree with you on investing draft picks on the Oline. It has to become a priority in order to maximize the potential of whatever QB we get.
That's because there are no guarantees that Cousins will be able to play well for even 5 seasons, much less 8. Just because some QBs have been able to play well that late doesn't mean that Cousins will, even if he stays injury free, and the chances of his staying injury free with the Jets aren't great. I believe that he has taken something of a pounding during his time starting for the Redskins. That takes a toll on a QB. What if the Jets sign him to a 5-year, $135 million contract, and he goes down with a career-ending injury in his 2nd year? The Jets would be screwed capwise for the next 5 years. While there are no guarantees that a young QB can play 5 years, either, the odds are a lot better than for a QB who is already 30. I totally believe that if the Jets sign Cousins, Woody/Chris Johnson will demand that the Jets go all in trying to win a SB. They will bring in more older, expensive vets, and will stop the rebuild immediately.
There’s a better chance of cousins playing well for the next 8 years than there is of any of the qb prospects matching even one of the last 3 years of cousins’ production. And this stop the rebuild thing is a fallacy. There is no rebuilding in this nfl, there is having a qb and looking for a qb. That’s it. On the periphery,all the teams are doing the same thing, accumulating as much talent as possible to be competitive.
They let him walk or they sign him to a long term deal, which is unlikely given the last two times they tried to lock him up. Washington would use 35 of their 56 million available space on a franchising him for a year. I'd be shocked if Cousins doesn't become a FA.
Right now, Stafford is the highest paid QB, and Cousins will probably replace him or be tied with him. The Redskins are not going to invest 35 million in Cousins, so it's either he chooses to stay for a long term deal, or he tests free agency (more likely) and lands with another team. The jets have the cap space to give Cousins a lengthy deal, whilst also being able to manipulate the contract so that if he does suck or get injured, we may have an out midway through the deal (similar to the mo-wilkerson deal). It's all about structuring the deal and since the jets will likely have 90+ million, and no stars making any big money any time soon, they can do this easily. Also, small detail that sometimes gets overlooked - Florida does not have state income tax, New York does. Millions in taxes isn't enticing, but that can be offset by the big market appeal of New York where media and product deals with multi-million/billion companies can easily make you a boatload of cash.
The best thing that can happen is for Washington to finish with a losing record. That will make it easy for the owner to not even consider a $35.5M franchise tag. He will hit the market.
I keep having visions of Kirk Cousins and Saquon Barkley on the Jets. Hopefully the Jets lose out to make it happen. Anyone see Prescott's stat difference with and without Elliot? I am thinking Cousins would only get better with an Elliot type player. He already has some of the best play action stats in the game with some jokers in the backfield. Imagine with a home run threat?
Hopefully neither Bowles or Macc will be in that decision process and will be far away from the Jets.
Being that they'll both be back what exactly was your point? You're saying that Mac will not draft or sign another QB?
If they signed Cousins - and that's a BIG IF - and Barkley wasn't available, I could see them taking a LT or C if a stud is there, but I wouldn't take two OL, That would be putting two rookies in at positions that usually take a couple of years to become competent, and I think that would be asking too much.
Are you sure they will be back? I'm thinking if they lose every game left in the season Bowles should be fired. Macc might get to pick his own coach.
No, but I thought you said Mac was gonna go down in flames and not do anything at the QB position on purpose. I tend to disagree. Btw, I think they'll both be back, but I'm expecting a pro-active move at QB by Mac or I'll be disappointed. There's a ton of money and a lot draft picks and this team could have a very different look next year. Gonna be a very interesting off-season and I don't think what happens the rest of the year is going to change anything as far as Mac/TB
