2017 Jets will be historically bad

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  1. Big Cat

    Big Cat Well-Known Member

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    If Enunwa is out for significant time they could be a 2 win team that struggles to score 14 points in any given week. Robby Anderson #1 receiver FTW.
     
  2. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    If q is out they have to call boldin and see if he is in shape
     
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    Yea, this team could use a big bodied, sure-handed veteran wide receiver. Oh wait, they cut one.

    I swear, every move they made this offseason made sense to me up until those weird June cuts of Harris and Decker.
     
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    Yeah, they have been very inconsistent. They seemed to be embracing a youth movement, so even cutting Harris and Decker could be explained in that light. But now they are giving exclusive first team reps to McCown.
     
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    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Makes me think Bowles and mac are not in the same page.
     
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    Even if you're embracing the youth movement, you can't evaluate the young quarterbacks if none of the receivers are ever open. Decker would've been a perfect security blanket for the young guys: you always know he's gonna be in the right spot, usually open, smart, sure hands and can mentor both the young receivers and the QBs. Idk why he had to go.
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    This regime lacks vision.
     
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    If he didn't run his mouth about Petty and backing Fitzpatrick, I wonder if he would still be on this team?
     
  9. FJF

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    Seems like every coach we hire has this problem. Conservative,defense oriented, just trying to limit mistakes on offense.
    It really is past time to hire a young offensive coordinator as h.c. That will run an offense for the new NFL.
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Creating and maintaining an ideal offense, I think is one of the more challenging aspects of the NFL. If you can find a young offensive mind that can motivate the team and install the offense then you gotta take a chance at it. Especially if it comes with a new QB. I believe it's easier to find / keep a defensive coordinator that can run your defense long-term, then finding an offensive coordinator that can make your offense an actual threat. Then to KEEP that offensive coordinator is damn near impossible given the turnover in the league.

    Bowles is trying to learn both sides of the ball, but so far it's been a complete and utter failure. As a fan, I am done with giving these coaches like Bowles and Rex a shot to become well rounded coaches. It just won't happen. If Hack / Petty ain't playing this year, then to me Bowles is a failure and he needs to go. Still have my questions about Mac also...
     
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    the coaches don't look well rounded because the rosters compiled by the front office aren't well rounded. We've seen 9 straight defensive 1st round picks. far and away the only team with that kind of unbalance

    If I was a coach of the NY Jets just trying to keep my job and the FO goes defense in the 1st round every year, I'd be running a conservative, defense-oriented team as well
     
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    Solid point, how much of that is the coach's influence though? I think it safe to assume with Rex and Tanny that Rex had a lot of influence.based mostly on how bad the drafts were after mangini and Tanny had a few good ones. Without defending mac too much, because I am not sold him either,2 if his 3 1st rounders were really the only pick he could have made. Leo and Adams were just so far and away better than any other player on the board.
    My concern right now with Bowles is his complete lack of effort into grooming a qb.this team is not benefiting from mccown taking all the 1st team reps. With his experience he should be getting the least amount, until it is obvious he will need to start the season. That's not a roster problem it's a philosophy problem. Same one that Rex had.
    Just make a team to pull a qb along with and hope the defense can win some games. Too bad that game has passed us by. Every day should be put towards making a franchise qb. Bowles has spent the last 2 years doing the opposite
     
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    maybe...and emphasize the maybe here.... by pulling along Mcclown every day they are focusing themselves towards finding a franchise QB. ie. tanking
     
  14. FJF

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    But they could still do that after giving hack and petty longer looks.
    Right now they are doing themselves a disservice.
     
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    The decision Bowles is making now in terms of not giving 2 drafted QBs a chance to develop should cause him to lose his job. Mac and Bowles just aren't on the same page. There has also been unbalance, but there was plenty of other rounds to address the offense and they looked to draft players with "high upside" with absolute no floor. Specifically the 2nd rounds where you still can find several impact players. We passed on a lot of good players. That has been the issue with the past 3 regimes. We need an offensive minded guy here to create some balance. We have enough young talent on D for the time being.
     
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    maybe I'm not paying attention enough, I just don't understand. How are they not letting the 2 young QBs develop? Like how are you developing that opinion because it kind of seems like they are to me. For once they didn't throw Hackenberg to the wolves and he looks a lot better this year in camp. That seems like development to me.

    We aren't going to be contenders this year. There's no need to rush to get Hackenberg ready for the 1st game. It appears the slow development is working a little at least with him. I don't see a problem with sticking with what's working, he still has a lot to work on and Mcclown is sucky, old and brittle anyway, so it's not like he's going to be taking every snap once the season starts. I'll be surprised if Mcclown lasts until october, so you can afford to get Hackenberg ready for October not for week 1
     
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    I think last year was historically bad. 7/11 losses by 10+ is embarrassing. If this team wins 2 games, I won't mind if the games are at least close- and not over in the first quarter.
     
  18. FJF

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    He could be speeding up that development right now by not wasting snaps on mccown. Why wouldn't you let your developing qb get reps with the 1s when your other option is 38 and not part of the long term? It flies against every move they have made this summer. At least leading up to p.s. week 1 should have been more hack/petty than mccown.
     
  19. NCJetsfan

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    That and Harris are the only moves I didn't understand or like, either. I can understand wanting to add cap space and go all in with a youth movement, but as you said, when one is trying to evaluate young QBs, you need to make sure they have sure-handed, experienced WRs that can help them and give you a clearer picture of the QB's ability and progress.
     
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  20. NCJetsfan

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    Well, if that's true (and I think it definitely is in Bowles' case and could be in Mac's as well), then that's what you get when you continually hire inexperienced rookies who have to feel their way through and learn on the job. Of course, quality experienced GMs are rarely, if ever, available, so one has to go through some going pains with most young GMs, but that is not the case with HCs, or if one had an experienced football man as one's team President instead of a marketing fuck.
     
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