We drove for a game-winning TD with no timeouts in :40 with a FG not an option, in a game we needed in late November. Pick it apart all you want, that's what happened.
They're not the same team, though. Their defense has been bolstered, and in general they're playing more effectively than they did in the 2010 season. I'm not saying it's a guaranteed L, or even a probable one, but it's not a free/easy win or game by any standards.
I have lost track of whether you still deserve the title of Chad Fan. And imo there is nothing "old" about noting that some people seem to be more fans of particular players than of the team, in that they throw everybody else on the team under the bus to excuse the poor performance by the player in question. That phenomenon is, sure enough, old, but noting that it goes on imo is not. As I said, the last time the Jets played Pitt they lost. As for Houston, if you saw Houston you saw a better team than the Jets are right now. Not three years ago. That was and is my point, which frankly should have been obvious.
Nobody is going to be the same team by September that they are now, to look at it and pick Ws and Ls now is a waste of time. Who had the 49ers hosting the NFC Championship Game before this season? I'm hoping they keep it up for another game or two but they could just as easily be 6-10 next year. I was simply answering the inaccurate statement that we have no chance in Pittsburgh or vs Houston with Sanchez at QB when we're 3-1 vs those teams with him.
Oh okay, sorry to misinterpret you. I agree with you though, I mean with the exception of this last season, we've split the Patriots, have gone to the AFCCG in two years with Sanchez..why would it be so impossible for Sanchez to win against these teams? Yeah except in that AFCCG game many people would argue that the defense really lost that game for us, not Sanchez. Mendenhall had his way with the defense in the first half.. Also has Italian pointed out, every year is different. There's no way of knowing the probability of our chances vs. Pitt next year will be.
Three years ago? What are you talking about? And nobody is playing Houston right now, by the time we or anyone else plays them things will be all different again, so assuming you had a point in there somewhere it is moot. Regarding Jet fans who root for their own QB and don't blame him things like not tackling in Pittsburgh, that seems more normal to me than someone calling them out as "homers". That's just stupid. You have the same chip on your shoulder with Sanchez that you had with Chad, after a while one has to assume the chip is your issue.
I'm not taking away anything at all from the drive I thought It was a good throw against cover 2 I was just stating the facts, in hurry up offense the defense has to play vanilla coverages, just the facts.
I got you, Houston was playing to prevent the big pass, the safety got out of position a bit and Sanchez threw a perfect ball. If you watch the NFL Replay version you'll see Santonio raving about that throw more than the TD which went to him. Yes, they made a mistake but we also had very little room for error.
The beauty of it was the call that Sanchez made which was a perfect cover 2 killer, he sucked up the safety into the middle which left the deep right open for Braylon, but the throw to Santonio was on a standard defense so still an amazing drive especially considering time left on the clock when it started.
I was at that game, up in 333, thinking we'd just blown the game. Was too pissed to even get up and deal with the crowd, then comes that Braylon pass right to the corner underneath us. Sent a jolt of energy right through what was left of the crowd. When they show the reaction shot you see a lot of empty seats, a lot of people got pissed we blew a lead and were leaving.
I of course agree with your point about next season being a different season. The whole discussion was proceeding on someone earlier in the thread saying that the schedule looked easy. So we are talking about how it looks this month, rather than how it might look on Opening Day. I can assure you I hope as much as you do that the Jets are in better shape then than they are now, and that if that is the case, that schedule will look more doable than it does right now. But that was not the discussion. Your point about Pitt is really beside the point, since even with this supposedly wonderful performance by Sanchez, the Jets lost that game. Why do we think right now that the Jets are better than Pitt? I concede I should not have used the term "can't see" - I meant can't see it likely that playing Pitt is an easy win. As you in fairness have to give me, I hardly said or meant that it would be impossible for the Jets to beat Pitt, right now or during this past season. But right now, and this past season, Pitt was clearly the better team. There's no point in arguing it. Same for Houston.
I'm with you there, Pittsburgh was the better team last year, that's why they hosted the AFC Championship Game. Even with that we won a game there we needed in December, so we split the two. I'll also agree that at Pittsburgh on the schedule is daunting no matter what year or month we're talking about, it just seemed to me you were writing off our chances because of the QB, who is the only Jet QB in history to win a game there. I'm sure we'll have a few more pointless arguments on here before we play them. I have nothing else going on, really. :beer:
As for Chad and Mark, both have their obvious limitations and were/are problematic in terms of moving the Jets forward. The Jets got rid of Chad, so obviously they felt they needed to take a different approach. How long they stick with Mark remains to be seen. The Qb in this league is the most important key to success or failure. High visibility comes with the territory. When they succeed they get adulation, when they fail they get hopefully at least their share of the blame. Some are more reluctant to blame the Qb than others. I think we all realize how difficult it is to change out a Qb, to change course when so much has been put in around him that may not be suitable for a different Qb, and how much time it takes to develop an NFL Qb. But that should not require of us an assessment that in effect ignores the Qb's limitations. Whether that merely means the team has to rely as much as it can on other players for success, or to tweak what support is provided the Qb, or perhaps even the ultimate decision to cut one's losses and take a different direction, will depend on the situation. But I certainly don't think it makes a difference to how well or poorly a Qb plays whether posters here present fair criticisms of him.
Jets and Sanchez vs the Rams and Schottenheimer should answer a lot of questions. Looking forward to that one.
You mean the game where Rex's all-pro Defense couldn't stop a nose bleed? Where Our QB put the team on his back in the 2nd half and almost had us coming back to go to the super bowl? The game where our Oline was just in the beginning stage of its shit show? The game where Mr. "Can't wait," couldn't tackle? The game where Brian Schottenheimer had some of the worst calls in the worst situations since Paul Hackett? OH, yeah, THAT game..
They changed it to the Chargers after it was determined that the Chargers actually came in 2nd place and not the Raiders.
