2009 College Football Season Thread

Discussion in 'NCAA' started by JetsNation06, Sep 5, 2009.

  1. wildthing202

    wildthing202 Active Member

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    What? Can't I be harsh in the criticism that Gerhart is an overrated RB for the fact that the only reason that he has the most rushing yards is that he has the most carries. Just like a certain hockey player who takes the most shots but somehow isn't a decent comparison.

    Out of all of the 1000 yard rushers he's 21st in YPC.

    Where's Chad Spann's nomination? He's got 19 TD's in half the rushing attempts.

    He's not even on a good team, even Ron Dayne was on a Rose Bowl team when he won it.

    What's not knowledgeable about criticizing a guy who's only getting nominated because he got the ball more than anyone else. What makes him better than Case Keenum? Keenum's team is 10-3 vs. Gerhart's 8-4. They both got the ball more than anyone else except Keenum crushed the 2nd place in yards by over 1500 vs. Gerhart. 17th in yards per attempt. 43 TDs leads the nation like Gerharts' 26 TDs a QB is 2nd with 23 who's almost has as many all purpose yards as Gerhart only around 150 yards off(1764 vs. Gerhart's 1903) and his team is also 8-4 and they both scored 27 TD's combined.

    Ingram only had 3 games which he had a YPC under 5 and 7 games where it was over 6 vs. Gerharts 6 and 4. Yea his TD total is less but his team is undefeated.

    But I guess I'm misinformed about the Heisman year Gerhart had just like George Rodgers in 1980.
     
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    How sad for you that you don't get the pleasure of watching college football. You've apparently missed this season.
     
  3. Mr Electric

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    No, you're just misinformed about everything related to college football.

    I told you before, don't compare football to hockey.

    Weren't you the same guy that said Bowling Green's Freddie Barnes is the best receiver in college football because he has the most catches, yards, and TDs? What a hypocrite you are...

    You do realize that the PAC-10 is a million times more talented than Spann's Northern Illinois MAC team. It's the MAC...if you want to talk about a good player out of fucking MAC, then you name Dan LeFevour. He's a damn good player...in the MAC. When he plays against top caliber, non-MAC teams, he proves to everyone why he's in the MAC. ...just like Freddie Barnes did against Boise State.

    Case Keenum isn't a Heisman finalist because he's in a non-Big Six conference...a conference that his team didn't even win. Non-AQ conference teams and players will never get respect because they don't play anyone. Boise State and TCU don't even get the respect they deserve and they are consistently dominant.

    You're actually going to praise Case Keenum for leading the nation in passing yardage, and then bash Gerhart for having the lead in rushing yardage. Keenum also threw the ball more than anyone in the country. In fact, Keenum threw 131 more passes than the player below him. Gerhart only has 14 more carries than the next guy.

    Mark Ingram was the best running back, in the best conference in all of college football. The kid has an awesome game against one of the nation's best defenses...in a conference title game at that. He deserves to be a finalist.

    If you want to talk about someone that got screwed by not being nominated, bring up CJ Spiller.
     
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  4. Green Hurricane

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    You want to use numbers to try and say Gerhart hasn't been a monster? Of all the players within 50 carries of him, only one has more ypc, and that's by exactly .1. Oh yeah, and that player has 43 less carries.

    Gerhart had 14 more carries than 2nd place in the country. Keenum? 128. What's funny is your boy Keenum is 17th in ypa. Hmmm... number sounds familiar... no? Cmon, stats can be manipulated however you need, and yours died pretty much from the start. Wow, no wonder junc embarrasses you all the time.
     
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  5. wildthing202

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    That's like 6 people since he got so many carries. 43 carries is 2 games worth of carries. Give 43 carries to people against a shit run D like Notre Dame and most guys within 200 could pass him.

    It's the worst production for a RB since at least 2004
    2008 - Donald Brown 2083 yards rushing, Shonn Greene 1850 yards rushing and both had better YPC so where's their Heismans?
    2007 Kevin Smith 2567, Matt Forte 2127, Ray Rice 2012, McFadden 1830
    2006 Garrett Wolfe 1928
    2005 Deanglo Williams 1964, Jerome Harrison 1900
    2004 J.J. Arrington 2018, DeAngelo Williams 1948, Adrian Peterson 1925, Cedric Benson 1834, Jamario Thomas 1801

    As for Keenum the guy completed 71% of his passes 2nd in the Nation and he has a 1400+ yard lead on 2nd place so using Gerhart logic he should be the favorite to win the Heisman. Keenum is #1 in YPA for passers who threw over 4000 yards, 7th for over 3000 yards.

    How did the argument die? I'm just showing that a QB that throws more than everyone else is just as good if not better than a RB who gets the ball more than anyone else. Their both stat guys since both of their teams aren't BCS worthy so what makes one better than the other?

    Besides Moore should win since he's got the stats and the BCS team or Ingram if you believe that the SEC is NFL lite since the SEC is that good according to some.
     
  6. RevisOfNazareth

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    Apparently Kansas tried to get Nutt. So we're paying him more. Love it.
     
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    How about Arizona State, Arizona, Oregon State, and Cal? Those are the Top 4 rushing defenses that Gerhart faced, ranked #18, #22, #25, and #27. Out of those teams, only Oregon State held him under 100 yards. He had 96 yards and 2 TDs.

    How many of your other backs have that? And each of those teams stacked 8 or 9 in the box. Again, I know you keep ignoring it, but what makes Gerhart so impressive to anyone who knows ANYTHING about college football this season is that he's been so productive despite the fact that Stanford has run a vanilla power offense. Pete Carroll himself said he knew what Stanford was going to do on every play and they could not stop him.

    College football teams frequently rely on an expansive and creative playbook or gimmick offensive plays. Stanford has simply said "We'll run it with Toby, and you try to stop him." It's incredible.

    Oh, just for comparison's sake...now that Ingram has faced Florida, his Top 4 rushing defenses go like this:

    Florida, LSU, South Carolina, and Virginia Tech. That's #13, #44, #46, and #52. By the time we get to LSU, we've passed teams 5 and 6 for Gerhart in #38 Oregon and #42 USC. In other words, Gerhart faced SIX run defenses that were more stout than the SECOND best run defense faced by Ingram.

    I agree that Greene and Peterson deserved more Heisman love than they got. McFadden was a finalist. How many of those guys led the nation in both yards and TDs? Only one, Kevin Smith. And he played for a lesser conference. According to you, it should be easy to lead the nation in both. Just up the carries and production naturally follows! Forget the fact that Gerhart has the highest TD total for a major conference back (in regular season games) since Ricky Williams. It's a piece of cake!

    Again, he's not on a major conference team. It hurts Keenum.

    Calling Gerhart a stat guy makes you look like a complete and utter moron. He's carried that entire team, and hasn't lost a single game. If he had a defense half as good as Alabama's, Stanford would be 11 - 1 right now and in a BCS game. 3 games lost by a TD or less, all lost on the final drive.

    Good luck with that, since Moore wasn't even a finalist.
     
  8. vinsjets

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    edited.

    Drunk posting, nothing to see here.
     
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