2009-10 World Champion Yankees Offseason Thread

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  1. MBGreen

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    bahahahahahaha!
     
  2. Don

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    "outside of Austin" of course it's a good deal. It's a terrible deal with Austin and Kennedy. These were Cashshit's prizes a year ago. Granderson hasn't hit 300 in 2 years. Other GMs think he is not the center fielder that Cashman thinks he is...etc. Oh, and "they" say he stinks at hitting left handed pitching..i'm to lazy to look it up.
     
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    If Granderson hits .265 30 HR's and steals 20 and plays above average defense it's a great deal. That's about Austin Jackson's ceiling. Kennedy is much better suited in the NL West.
     
  5. Don

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    But no Coke and no Bruney (not sure he matters) , the pen is getting slim. Unless they plan on putting both Hughes and Chamberlain there next year. With Halladay or Lackey they would have a strong top 4 anyway. Where does this leave Cabrerra and Gardner? Pitching was supposed to be the priority. I guess one of them will play left and if they resign Damon he will PH.
     
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    I'm not ecstatic about the deal, but I do think the Yankees w/Granderson are clearly a better team in 2010 (and possibly 2011) then they'd be with A.Jackson. They're trading a very good prospect for a proven commodity. It's not like Coke is anything special, and Kennedy was evidently considered expendable, and thus nice trade-bait, so I'm fine with them having to go in order to get Granderson.

    Granderson did regress a little in 2009. He was bad vs. lefty pitching, even getting benched against tough lefties during the last quarter of the year.
    However, for a speedy, top-of-the-order type guy, he provides nice power, esp. in Yankee Stadium. Plus, his price tag is very good for his production. He's the best player involved in the entire blockbuster.

    I obviously would like to have kept Jackson, but he wasn't a make-or-break-the-franchise type of prospect anyway (unlike a Strasburgh, a Tommy Hanson or a Matt Wieters). Cashman is rolling the dice on Granderson, an all-star. Again, I'm not doing backflips over the trade, but I'm fine with it.....for now. I'll be thrilled when this opens up the door for John Lackey to be our #3 starter. Woot!
     
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    ftr, I think Nady and Abreu are better than Swisher.
     
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    Who would you rather?

    Halladay or Granderson?
     
  9. ToonWalker

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    Halladay, no doubt.

    However, I'd think the salary difference would be taken into consideration (Doc would get 100 mill plus). Also, we couldn't get Halladay for just Austin and kennedy.
    But clearly, even though he's older, Hallady is a far better pitcher than Granderson is an outfielder.
     
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    I'm still all for bringing Nady back, but it doesn't appear the Yankees are in the same boat.

    Just looked this up, but Nady has great career numbers against LHP, .308/.383/.471 (avg/obp/slg), and its not exactly a small sample size at about 600 ABs, more than a full season's worth.

    If he proves to be healthy, I would bring him back over Damon.

    If they plan on putting Granderson in LF (which has been speculated), I wouldn't mind this as the outfield.

    LF: Granderson/Nady
    CF: Cabrera/Gardner
    RF: Swisher
     
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    Theres too many reports swirling to make sense of Yankee plans ATM. Half are saying Melky is now expendible and set to be traded at some point, some are saying Melky and Granderson are going to split time, and some are saying Granderson/Melky/Swish is the OF.

    Who knows, at this point. All speculation.
     
  12. Don

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    A little? He batted .249. So what are we paying for a .249 hitter? 6 million or so? What a deal. I would rather Cabrerra or Gardner at a few hundred grand each ans spend the millions on Halladay.
     
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    but with halladay you're giving up hughes or joba instead of (maybe in addition to) kennedy. And Montero instead of Jackson. And roughly $18M a year, not $5M
     
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    This is an excellent deal for the Yankees. Jackson is a good prospect, yes. But what's his ceiling realistically? I don't see him being better than Granderson, and certainly not within the next 3 or 4 years. Kennedy's never shown that he can make it in the AL East, and at this point I'd place him below Zach McCallister on the pecking order. If Marte is healthy then there's no need for Coke.

    Granderson provides good speed and very good power, and he's got a flashy glove even if his range has been declining a little. His swing is tailored perfectly to Yankee Stadium. Landing him without giving up Hughes or Chamberlain makes this a fantastic deal.
     
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    I'm taking this as proof positive this was a good deal
     
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    Scout's take on dealing Jackson:


    Like I said, trading Jackson was nothing considering the presence of "5-tool" prospects at lower levels with more power.

    The latter part I hadn't even considered, but it makes a lot of sense.
     
  17. Don

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    Maybe, but look at what we did give up..our number 1 prospect, our best left handed reliever and a guy cashshit refused to trade for Santana. A high price for a guy who batted .249.
     
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    Two years ago he hit .302, by the way can't see them getting him and playing him in left field, he will be playing center...
     
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    Buster Olney reported that The Deal fell through due to he Tigers and Yankees being unsatisfied. All I can say is thank god
     

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